Q. Would it have been proper for him, with the nine companies he had, in case they were there early on Sunday morning, at Greenville--would it have been proper for him, as a military officer, to have gone on with them to Rochester? A. No. If the division had got into a fight, he would have been the officer to handle the division, if I was not present. He never got the orders from me until I ordered him at twelve o'clock, and then I had reason to believe he was going to move immediately. The troops had been in Greenville for a day, and they were scattered around, and visiting in saloons and hotels. The men had to support themselves the best they could, and they could not keep them together, even by companies. By Mr. Lindsey: Q. How do the brakemen get paid, and the conductors? A. They get paid by the trip. By Senator Yutzy: Q. In case they are delayed on the trip, are the men not paid extra for the time they are delayed? A. Generally, when they are delayed any ways long, the conductor refers his case to the train master, and if he approves of it, they get paid extra. Q. Did the men retained in the employ of the company and the discharged men have any communication with each other on the morning of Thursday, that you know of? A. Not that I have any knowledge of. Q. Did they not have a secret organization? A. I believe they have an order called the Train Men's Union. Q. Do you know the object of that organization? A. No; I do not. Q. Do you know whether those twenty men assembled there were members of that organization or not? A. I don't know. I have an idea that they were. Q. Were there any double-headers that succeeded in starting that morning of Thursday? A. No; not from Pittsburgh. Q. What time was the first train regularly to start? A. Eight-forty. Q. Can you tell us whether between the hour of twelve, midnight, and eight-forty, any double-headers left on Thursday morning. A. The four o'clock trains went out double. By Mr. Lindsey: Q. How many went out at four o'clock? A. All, I believe. Q. Were you on the ground on Friday? A. Yes; I was around there. Q. How was the crowd on Friday morning? A. It appeared to increase all the time. Q. How large was it on Friday morning? A. I can't exactly say how large. They were coming and going all the time. Q. Give us an estimate? A. In the neighborhood of a couple of thousand. By Senator Yutzy: Q. Were they noisy? A. Some of them were and some of them were not. Q. Were they making threats? A. I just occasionally heard them making threats. By Mr. Lindsey: Q. How had it been there during the night? A. Some of them were there all night stopping everything, so that we could not get along. The engines would stop. Q. Were they noisy and boisterous? A. The western engines coming up with the live stock were stopped and sent back on the same track.