I told them you have not made any request, and you are going into this thing without making any request, and that you have violated the law at the start, and you cannot expect to be successful; but they said that the iron was hot, and that they were going to strike. So after that time until the trouble was over, I had nothing to do with the men. I staid there until Saturday evening, ready to go out. In fact on Saturday my engine was fired up and ready to go out. I never refused to go out because I had never quit the service of the company. By Senator Yutzy: Q. What kind of a meeting was this? A. It was meeting of engineers and firemen. Q. A secret organization? A. No; it was an open meeting. Q. Participated in by men belonging to this organization and others? A. By the brakemen, conductors, engineers, and firemen, and all those that wished to be there. On Saturday evening the troops came up, and I was back and forward to the shops. I was up on Twenty-eighth street, but I saw no violent demonstrations, although there was a big crowd there. I suppose, though, if there had been any effort on Friday or Saturday, to send trains out, there would have been violence. Plenty of revolvers and fire-arms were displayed there, by plenty of men outside of railroad men. By Mr. Means: Q. Was it railroad men who flourished and displayed the revolvers and fire-arms? A. I think the majority were outsiders. Q. Were they citizens of the city of Pittsburgh, or strangers? A. I don't know. I suppose they were citizens from the East End--from the east of the city. There were thieves, and robbers, and rogues, and tramps there from the whole country. Q. Were they citizens of Pittsburgh, or were they strangers?