Q. Could you not have got fifty men at that time? A. No. Q. Did you make any call on the night force? A. No. Q. Did you make any call for police--any demand for a posse of police? A. Of the regular force? Q. Or any force? A. I simply went on the street, and around Fifth avenue and Smithfield street, and asked these men if they would go. Q. Did you have any conversation with the mayor? A. I think the mayor handed me this dispatch. Q. Did he make any call for a posse of police? A. No; no more than telling me to do as I did--to see if I could get the men. Q. Did he tell you how the men were to be paid? A. I do not know. That was one objection with these men. They wanted to know about their pay, and whether it was going to be a regular thing. I could not satisfy them about that, and they did not care much about going. Q. You just went around and hunted up the men that would go voluntarily of their own accord? A. Yes; after getting this report from the Twelfth ward station-house. We thought that fifty men would hardly be necessary anyhow; but we could not have raised them if we had wanted them. By Senator Yutzy: Q. Could you not have got them if you had commanded them? A. We could not command them any more than I could command you. Q. Could not the mayor have commanded them? A. He had no right to command them. By Mr. Lindsey: Q. He did not tell you to command any men to serve. A. No. By Mr. Dewees: Q. What was the reason you could not get these men to go out? A. Well, we had a reduction of our force a short time before, and some of these men thought that they were not treated right, and when I asked them to go out, they wanted to know if they would be placed on the force permanently. Of course I could not satisfy them, and they did not want to go. By Mr. Means: Q. At any time you were there, did the firemen call on you to assist them? A. I saw the firemen only on Sunday, and it was understood then that the mob would not allow them to put water on the property. Q. Did they ask the police officers to help them? A. I do not know that they did. I was out there with the mayor, and we had too few men. The firemen would change their place time after time as the fire came down. A man came and said that they wanted to throw water on the fire, indicating a car burning, and the mayor said: "All right, we will protect you." We immediately formed the men to protect them, but afterwards they did not throw water on that fire at all. By Mr. Lindsey: Q. Where was the mayor during Thursday afternoon? A. I saw him in the office, I think, once or twice. Q. Where was he during Thursday night? A. I think in the office. Q. Did you receive any instructions from him during the night? A. I went to him during Thursday night to place one of our lieutenants in charge over the force at Twenty-eighth street--Lieutenant Coates. It was his suggestion, I believe. Q. At the mayor's suggestion?