A. Yes; he has supreme control of the fire department, and in case of a large fire he is assisted by the commissioners. Q. Is he subject to the order of the mayor? A. No; he is not. He has nothing to do with the mayor. Q. He is subject to the orders of the commissioners? A. Yes; he is directed by them, but he has supreme control of the fire department. If he wants the assistance of the commissioners he sends an alarm for them. Q. In case the fire department needs protection, to whom ought you to look for that protection? A. I suppose to the head of the police department of the city. Q. Do you know, of your own knowledge, whether any demand was made upon the chief of police for protection? A. Not of my own knowledge. Q. Is the fire department a paid department? A. Yes. Q. Did you see the fire when it first started? A. I saw the first of it--the first torch applied to the first car. Q. Where was that car standing? A. Beyond the round-house. And I thought they had an engine up there. They would fire one car and start it, and fire another car and start it, and fire another car and start it. Q. Can you give us the street where it was? A. I think they were all above Twenty-eighth street--the cars that were started. Q. You thought they had an engine to start the cars? A. I thought so--either that or a large gang of men. They started so rapidly. Q. When those cars came down, where did they stop after they were started? A. They came down--the whole yard was packed with cars down below the round-house, and they had the switches so arranged that they ran down to the round-house. They were trying to burn out the soldiers. It was very plain what their motive was. Q. The motive, at first, was not to destroy the railroad company's property, but to burn out the soldiers? A. That was the motive, to my mind, as I viewed it from the hill. Q. What were those first cars loaded with? A. I cannot tell that. Q. With oil? A. No; they were freight cars first that were fired. Afterwards they started the oil cars down. By Mr. Lindsey: Q. As the fire progressed on Sunday morning, what seemed to be the motive? A. It was general destruction then. They started the oil cars early Sunday morning. Q. What time did the troops get out of the round-house? A. I did not see them come out. I only know from newspaper reports. Q. Did you see the mob as it approached the depot with torches, and the burning of Union depot? A. No; I was at work on another part of the fire. Q. How large was the mob during Sunday? A. It would be hard to form an estimate. It was an immense crowd, for squares on Liberty street, breaking cars open and stealing--ten thousand or fifteen thousand anyway--just streaming back over the hill, taking the things away. Thousands of them were carrying away everything imaginable, and going to the south side with them. They passed my house--crowds of them. Q. Who were ahead--the men with the torches or the plundering posse?