A. I do not know that it was positively that, more than some other grievances that might be brought up. It was organized more for the protection of ourselves in any grievances that might be brought up. Of course, the ten per cent. would be included. Q. Were there any other grievances except that ten per cent. reduction? A. Not at that time. Q. Had the men any grievances or complaints to make outside of that, when it was talked of that a strike should take place on the 27th of June? A. I believe there were. Q. What were they? A. In regard to the classification of engineers and the amount of pay they received, &c.; that was something I did not particularly understand at that time. By Senator Yutzy: Q. The object of the brotherhood was to abolish this classification? A. The object was to protect themselves. By Senator Reyburn: Q. They considered this grading unjust? A. Yes; they considered it unjust, which it certainly was. By Mr. Lindsey: Q. You did not organize a strike for the 27th of June in regard to any future grievance. A. No. Q. It was the ten per cent. reduction and the classification of engines that induced you to arrange that strike for the 27th of June? A. Yes. Q. In arranging for a strike, what did the railroad men propose to do--stop all trains--just simply quit work? A. In case of their striking, they simply proposed quitting work themselves--standing still or going to their homes, or wherever they wished to go. I never heard of any arrangement made as to what they would do. By Mr. Means: Q. Were any resolutions passed in your body to stop trains? A. No. By Mr. Lindsey: Q. Were there any resolutions to interfere with the men who desired to work? A. No. Q. You said it fell through. What broke off that arrangement to strike on the 27th of June? A. It was because it was generally thought it was not solid enough; it was not worked in the right way. Q. How extensive was the arrangement--how wide did it extend? A. I did not think it was very extensive; at least, I did not think it was very solid. Q. Do you know how many organizations this Trainmen's Union had in existence--how many lodges? A. I am not prepared to say; I do not know. Q. Did it include all the trunk lines? A. I think it did. Q. Did it include all the employés of the Pennsylvania Railroad Company? A. It included all those who joined the order. Q. What other roads? A. Most all the roads out of Pittsburgh; in fact, I guess all the other main roads. Q. Where did that union originate? A. I believe in Pittsburgh. Q. When was it abandoned? A. Previous to the strike. By Senator Reyburn: Q. Then there was no organization at the time of the strike. A. No; we had no meeting for some time previous to the strike. By Mr. Lindsey: Q. For how long previous?