Q. In your experience as a detective in this city, you have gained an extensive knowledge of the people? A. Yes. Q. And from the general appearance of that mob you think they were strangers, and did not belong in the city. A. Yes; that is, the ringleaders. I was at one time on the Pennsylvania railroad, a number of years ago, and in consequence of that, I know a great many railroad men, employés of the road, and I saw none of them engaged in this riot. When I first went up there, in the morning, I saw a great many I knew, railroad men, but they were all quiet and orderly. By Senator Reyburn: Q. Did you have any conversation with them as to the reasons or causes that led to the strike? A. Yes; their grievances were, as far as they told me, that they had been required to put on double-headers, and the reduction in the number of their men that they would lose so many men, as they called it, in a crew. Q. Did they express any intention of using violence? A. Not that I heard. I did not hear a man say a word that would tend to show he was going to use any violence. I remarked to four or five of them standing together: "If the mayor sends his police here and orders you fellows away from here, you have no business here on this property, and you must go." By Mr. Lindsey: Q. What day was that? A. On Saturday morning, about ten o'clock. By Senator Yutzy: Q. Did you hear any of those railroad men speak of a preconcerted arrangement for a general strike through the country? A. I never did. Q. At that time? A. No. Q. Nor since? A. No. * * * * * Michael Hannigan, _sworn with uplifted hand_: By Mr. Lindsey: Q. Where do you reside? A. No. 45, Grant street. Q. What was your business in July last. A. I was acting foreman of engine company No. 2. Q. What time did you visit the scene of the riot? A. Between one and two o'clock on Sunday morning. Q. At what point did you stop first? A. We answered box No. 62, and then the chief gave us orders to stop at Twenty-third and Penn, and not make any attachment until we got further orders. Q. How large was the crowd at that time? A. A great many men were scattered along the street as we were going to the box. The fire was down as far as Twenty-third street by that time. By daylight it got warm at Twenty-third and Liberty, and the chief got permission from the mob to lay a line of hose so that a foundry there might not take fire. We afterwards went to Twenty-sixth street, but could not get across there as the soldiers were firing across Twenty-sixth street. Q. What time was that? A. An hour after we were at Twenty-third street. Q. After daylight? A. Yes. Q. Did you visit the round-house after the troops left? A. It was impossible for anybody to go there. The upper building was completely burned when we went into service. It is a square building. By Senator Yutzy: Q. Attached to or in close proximity to the round-house?