CLEMENT--Yes; the _Coronation_, in September 1691. I was then belonging to the _Dutchess_, under the command of captain Clement; we looked out and see them taking down their masts; we saw the men walking up and down on the right side, and the ship sink down, and they swam up and down like a shoal of fish one after another; and I see them hover one upon another and see them drop away by scores at a time; and there was an account of about nineteen that saved themselves, some by boats, and others by swimming; but there were no more saved out of the ship's complement, which was between five and six hundred, and the rest I saw sinking downright, some twenty at a time. There was a fisherman brought our captain word, that in laying in of his nets he drew up some men close under the rocks that were drowned belonging to the _Coronation_. We generally throw in bags of ballast with them. JONES--I suppose all men that are drowned, you sink them with weights? CLEMENT--Formerly shot was allowed for that purpose; there used to be threescore weight of iron, but now it is a bag of ballast that is made fast to them. JONES--Then, you take it for a certain rule, that those that are drowned sink, but those that are thrown overboard do not? CLEMENT--Yes; otherwise why should the government be at that vast charge to allow threescore or fourscore weight of iron to sink every man, but only that their swimming about should not be a discouragement to others? _Then Richard Gin was sworn._ JONES--You hear the question; pray what do you say to it? GIN--I was at sea a great while, and all the men that I see turned overboard had a great weight at their heels to sink them. JONES--Then will they swim otherwise? GIN--So they say. JONES--Are you a seaman? GIN--I went against my will in two fights.