During the summer Lisa told me about the demons. Her first revelations occurred in the early part of the summer. As the summer progressed 'demons' became all that she talked about. One evening, in the presence of Mr. Loftin, she said that she was convinced that demons had been directing the killer in Santa Barbara. She also asserted that my home was filled with demons. Anne turned to me and said, "I don't know whether that is true or not, but he makes it sound as if he is perfectly normal-- as if *he* is not obsessed with demons." I recalled how Rama had increasingly preached that most of his disciples-- and most of the human race--were possessed by "Negative Entity" demons. "And I know for a fact," Anne added, "that Rama told us there were demons in his house in Seattle." Rama writes: She [Lisa] led Mr. Loftin and I down into the basement and pointed to areas of the vacant air where she asserted that the demons lived. She was also convinced that a demon lived on the second to the top stair of the upstairs staircase. She told us that the demon that lived on the stair had caused her to fall down the stairs once and was continually trying to trip her. I recalled, from press accounts, that it was Rama who had climbed a stepladder to clean invisible demons off the ceiling, it was Rama who had swept the stairs with his hands to avoid being tripped by demons, and it was Rama who, wearing raingear and Indian beads, had spent hours in the basement grabbing at the air. Rama claims: On another occasion while the three of us were chatting in my backyard, Lisa told Richard and I that she had taken L.S.D. and other drugs as a student at U.C. Santa Barbara. She asked Richard if he knew where she could get some L.S.D. and cocaine. When he informed her that he had no knowledge of where she could get these drugs she became belligerent and angry. I recalled reading about Rama's treatment of Lisa. He had allegedly given her LSD. Then, as he had done to the three women in Seattle, he screamed at her for hours, repeating that she was evil and that she had been trying to hurt him. Rama writes: Lisa told me she was afraid of her parents. She was convinced that they were trying to psychologically control her. It was only after I had repeatedly requested that she call her parents and inform them that she was staying with me as a guest that she finally did so. I recalled how Rama had instructed me to avoid speaking with my parents, unless I needed money. Rama continues: