Q. Until in Chicago. Did you see him any time prior to the time you saw him at Chattanooga? A. No, sir. Q. So the only three times you were within reach of him was in front of the La Salle Hotel in Chicago, Saturday morning? A. Yes, sir. Q. And at the Chattanooga depot? A. At the depot. Q. And then in Milwaukee Monday night? Is that correct? A. That is correct. Q. And since the 21st of September up to the 14th of October the only times that you were within reach of or even saw the Col. Roosevelt were the three times you have mentioned? A. Yes, sir. Q. Was he in any of the cities you were in at the time you were there excepting Chicago, Chattanooga and Milwaukee? A. Not at the time I was there. He was there either before or after me. Q. So those were the only three---- A. That I had a possible chance to shoot him, yes. Q. Now state again, when he was at the La Salle Hotel, could you have shot him then? A. Yes, sir. Q. You were near enough to have shot him at the La Salle? A. Yes, sir. Q. What prevented you from shooting him, was it that your courage gave way? A. No, sir; not my courage didn't give way. As I said I didn't want to do it because it is his coming-in reception--man is getting there--I didn't want to do it for that sake. I thought I'd get a better chance. Q. Was it because of the fact you desired a better chance or you didn't want to do it on that particular occasion? A. On that particular occasion. I didn't want to do it. Yes, sir. Q. And at Chattanooga it was a matter of personal courage with you--your nerve failed you? A. Just for a moment it failed me, yes, sir. Q. Have you been accustomed to using firearms? A. No. Q. Had you ever shot a revolver? A. I have shot a revolver several times during the 4th of July, that is about all, but I never handled it much. I don't know how to shoot. I didn't know whether I shot the man or not. Q. How was it you got a 44 frame for a 38-caliber gun? A. 44 frame? Q. For a 38-caliber gun? A. Well, my dear man, you know more about a gun than I do. I don't know anything about that. I bought that in that place that is a gun shop and they got all new ware and he told me it was a 38-caliber and I paid $14. Whatever the housing of it was I don't know. [Illustration: Hotel Gilpatrick.] Q. You speak of housing--you are familiar with revolvers? A. You are telling me a 44 casing. Q. That is what you call a housing? A. Well, that is what I meant--that is what I understand--casing--unless you mean the box where it was laying in. Q. No, I am talking about the housing--frame? A. I never knew they could use a 38 on a larger casing, could they? How is it possible that they can have a 38 cartridge in a 44, in a larger casing than that? Q. Well, that is what you did--44 frame? A. You found a different revolver than mine. Q. Who did you discuss the question of the formation the character of revolver. Who did you talk with over that? A. What?