The Deipnosophists; or, Banquet of the Learned of Athenæus, Vol. 1 (of 3)Athenaeus, of Naucratis
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The Deipnosophists; or, Banquet of the Learned of Athenæus, Vol. 1 (of 3)
Athenaeus, of Naucratis
Civilization, Greco-Roman; Dinners and dining -- Greece; Greece -- Social life and customs; Homosexuality -- Greece
57. But altogether Plato's Banquet is mere nonsense. For when Agathon
got the victory Plato was fourteen years old. For the former was crowned
at the Lenæa in the archonship of Euphemus. But Plato was born in the
year of the archonship of Apollodorus, who succeeded Euthydemus. And
when he was eighty-two years old he died in the archonship of
Theophilus, who succeeded Callimachus; for he is the eighty-second
archon after Apollodorus. But from the archonship of Apollodorus and the
birth of Plato, Euphemus is the fourteenth archon; and it is in his
archonship that the banquet was given in honour of the victory of
Agathon. And Plato himself shows that this entertainment had taken place
a long time before, saying in the Banquet . . . . "'Do you think then
that this entertainment has taken place but lately, so that I could have
been present at it?' 'Indeed I do,' said he. 'How could that be,' said
I, 'O Glaucon? Do you not know that Agathon has not been in the city for
many years?'" And then a little while after he says--"'But tell me, when
did this entertainment take place?' And I replied, 'When we were still
children, when Agathon gained the prize in tragedy.'" But that Plato
makes many blunders in his chronology is plain from many circumstances.
For as the poet said--"The man has a tongue which pays no regard to
seasons;" so he writes without sufficient discernment. For he never
spoke at random, but always with great consideration.
58. As for instance, writing in the Gorgias, he says--"'Archelaus, then,
according to your definition, is a miserable man.' 'Yes, my friend, if,
at least, he is an unjust one.'" And then, after expressly stating that
Archelaus was possessed of the kingdom of the Macedonians, he goes on to
say, "that Pericles also was lately dead." But if Pericles had only
lately died, Archelaus was not yet in the enjoyment of his dominions at
all; and if Archelaus was king at the time, then Pericles had been dead
a long time. Now Perdiccas was king before Archelaus, according to the
statement of Nicomedes of Acanthus; and he reigned forty-one years. But
Theopompus says he reigned thirty-five years; Anaximenes, forty;
Hieronymus, twenty-eight. But Marsyas and Philochorus say that he
reigned only twenty-three years. Now, as these all vary so much in their
accounts, we will take the smallest number, and say twenty-three. But
Pericles died in the third year of the Peloponnesian war, in the
archonship of Epameinon, in which year also Alexander died, and
Perdiccas succeeded him in the kingdom. And he reigned till the
archonship of Callias, in whose year Perdiccas died, and Archelaus
succeeded to the kingdom. How, then, can Pericles have died lately, as
Plato phrases it? And in the same Gorgias Plato represents Socrates as
saying--"And last year, when I drew the lot to be one of the council,
when my tribe was the presiding tribe, and I had to put the question to
the vote, I caused the people to laugh, as I did not know how to put the
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