The first philosophers of Greece : $b An edition and translation of the remaining fragments of the pre-Sokratic philosophers, together with a translation of the more important accounts of their opinions contained in the early epitomes of their worksFairbanks, Arthur
Philosophy
The first philosophers of Greece : $b An edition and translation of the remaining fragments of the pre-Sokratic philosophers, together with a translation of the more important accounts of their opinions contained in the early epitomes of their works
Fairbanks, Arthur
Philosophy, Ancient
24; 111, 18. Melissos bringing his previous topic to a conclusion goes
on to consider motion. (Fr. 11) So then the all is eternal and infinite
and homogeneous; and it could neither perish nor become greater nor
change its arrangement nor suffer pain or distress. If it experienced
any of these things it would no longer be one; for if it becomes
different, it is necessary that being should not be homogeneous, but
that which was before must perish, and that which was not must come into
existence. If then the all should become different by a single hair in
ten thousand years, it would perish in the whole of time. (Fr. 12) And
it is impossible for its order to change, for the order existing before
does not perish, nor does another which did not exist come into being;
and since nothing is added to it or subtracted from it or made different,
how could any of the things that are change their order? But if anything
became different, its order would already have been changed. (Fr. 13)
Nor does it suffer pain, for the all could not be pained; it would be
impossible for anything suffering pain always to be; nor does it have
power equal to the power of what is healthy. It would not be homogeneous
if it suffered pain; it would suffer pain whenever anything was added
or taken away, and it would no longer be homogeneous. Nor could what is
healthy suffer a pang of pain, for both the healthy and _being_ would
perish, and not-being would come into existence. The same reasoning that
applies to pain applies also to distress. (Fr. 14) Nor is there any void,
for the void is nothing, and that which is nothing could not be. Nor does
it move, for it has nowhere to go to, since it is full; for if there
were a void it could go into the void, but since there is no void it has
nowhere to go to. It could not be rare and dense, for it is not possible
for the rare to be as full as the dense, but the rare is already more
empty than the dense. This is the test of what is full and what is not
full: if it has room for anything, or admits anything into it, it is not
full; if it does not have room for anything, or admit anything into it,
it is full. If no void exists it must be full; if then it is full it does
not move. These are the doctrines of Melissos.
34; 162, 24. (Fr. 6) What was, always was and always will be; for if it
had come into existence, it necessarily would have been nothing before it
came into existence. If now there were nothing existing, nothing would
ever have come into existence from nothing.
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