At this meeting, in answer to a question, “Were Catholics able to make their part good by arms against the King?”——Mounteagle replied, “If ever they were, they are able now;” and then that young nobleman added this reason for his opinion, “The King is so odious to all sorts.” At this interview Tresham said, “We must expect [_i.e._, wait for] the end of Parliament, and see what laws are made against Catholics, and then seek for help of foreign princes.” “No,” said Garnet, “assure yourself they will do nothing.” “What!” said my Lord Mounteagle, “will not the Spaniard help us? It is a shame!”[A] [Footnote A: If Mounteagle was in the company of Catesby at Fremland in the summer of 1605, these two may have been together at Bath between the 12th October and the 26th. Catesby probably would endeavour to induce Lord Mounteagle to join Sir Everard Digby’s rebellion, as he did induce Stephen Littleton and Humphrey Littleton.] Then said Father Garnet, “You see we must all have patience.”[100] It is also to be remembered that when Sir Edmund Baynham, a Gloucestershire Catholic gentleman of good family——but of whom Winter said “he was not a man fit for the business at home,” _i.e._, the purposed Gunpowder massacre——went to Flanders and Rome in the first week of September, 1605, Mounteagle appears to have written certain letters of introduction or of general recommendation, in Baynham’s behalf, to English Catholics residing in Flanders or in Rome. Jardine says that “it is not quite certain that Baynham was himself entrusted with the great secret of the Plot.”[101] I think that it is morally certain he was not. Sir Edmund Baynham[A] was intended by the prime conspirators to be at Rome to justify (_if he could_) to the Pope any action that the conspirators might have perpetrated on or after November the Fifth in behalf of their religion. But the prime conspirators were far too astute “to open their mouth” to let a chattering, hare-brained swashbuckler like Baynham “fill other people’s” in every wine-shop _en route_ for “the Eternal City.” [Footnote A: Father Garnet was also employing Sir Edmund Baynham as _his_ diplomatic intermediary with the Pope in order “to gain time,” so that meanwhile the plotters might find space for repentance! Garnet was apparently one of those men who though possessed of a profound knowledge of Man know little or nothing of men. Whereas Oldcorne seems to have had practical reason as well as theoretical wisdom. Oldcorne, I take it, had a good, strong, clear, practical head on his shoulders, which included in its armoury _will_, in the sense of _power_, as well as intellect and heart, and “_where there’s a will there’s a way_.”]