“We asked Mr. Cassatt what rate of freight we should have after the expiration of these contracts, whether we should have as low a rate of freight as the Standard Oil Company or any other shipper? He said, ‘No,’ We asked why. ‘Well, in the first place, you can’t ship as much oil as the Standard Oil Company,’ ‘Well, if we could ship as much oil’—I think Mr. Lombard put this question—‘would we then have the same rate?’ He said, ‘No,’ ‘Why?’ ‘Why, you could not keep the road satisfied; it would make trouble.’ And he remarked in connection with that, that the Standard Oil Company was the only party that could keep the roads harmonised or satisfied. He intimated, I believe, that each road had a certain percentage of the oil business, and they could divide that up and give each road its proportion, and in that way keep harmony, which we could not do. Right after that he made the remark that he thought that we ought to fix it up with the Standard; we ought to do something so as to all go on and make some money, and I think we gave him very distinctly to understand that we didn’t propose to enter into any ‘fix up’ where we would lose our identity, or sell out, or be under anybody else’s thumb. I believe that he went so far as to say that he would see the Standard, and do everything he could to bring that thing about. We told him very clearly that we didn’t want any interference in that direction, and if there was anything to be done, we thought we were quite capable of doing it. The interview perhaps lasted an hour. There was a great deal of talk of one kind and another, but this is, I think, the substance. This interview was in March, 1878, I think.