The Journal of the Debates in the Convention which Framed the Constitution of the United States, May-September 1787. Volume 1Madison, James
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The Journal of the Debates in the Convention which Framed the Constitution of the United States, May-September 1787. Volume 1
Madison, James
Constitutional law -- United States; Constitutions -- United States; United States. Constitution
M^r King. Altho' this amendment varies the aspect somewhat, he had still
two powerful objections ag^{st} tying down the Legislature to the rule
of numbers. 1. they were at this time an uncertain index of the relative
wealth of the States. 2. if they were a just index at this time it can
not be supposed always to continue so. He was far from wishing to retain
any unjust advantage whatever in one part of the Republic. If justice
was not the basis of the connection it could not be of long duration. He
must be shortsighted indeed who does not foresee that whenever the
Southern States shall be more numerous than the Northern, they can &
will hold a language that will awe them into justice. If they threaten
to separate now in case injury shall be done them, will their threats be
less urgent or effectual, when force shall back their demands. Even in
the intervening period, there will be no point of time at which they
will not be able to say, do us justice or we will separate. He urged the
necessity of placing confidence to a certain degree in every Gov^t and
did not conceive that the proposed confidence as to a periodical
readjustment of the representation exceeded that degree.
M^r Pinkney moved to amend M^r Randolph's motion so as to make "blacks
equal to the whites in the ratio of representation." This he urged was
nothing more than justice. The blacks are the labourers, the peasants of
the Southern States: they are as productive of pecuniary resources as
those of the Northern States. They add equally to the wealth, and
considering money as the sinew of war, to the strength of the nation. It
will also be politic with regard to the Northern States, as taxation is
to keep pace with Representation.
Gen^l Pinkney moves to insert 6 years instead of two, as the period
computing from the 1^{st} meeting of y^e Legis^e within which the first
census should be taken. On this question for inserting six, instead of
"two" in the proposition of M^r Wilson, it passed in the affirmative
Mass^{ts} no. C^t ay. N. J. ay. P^a ay. Del. div^d. May^d ay.
V^a no. N. C. no. S. C. ay. Geo. no.
On a question for filling the blank for y^e periodical census with 20
years, it passed in the negative
Mass^{ts} no. C^t ay. N. J. ay. P. ay. Del. no. M^d no. V^a no.
N. C. no. S. C. no. Geo. no.
On a question for 10 years, it passed in the affirmative.
Mass. ay. Con^t no. N. J. no. P. ay. Del. ay. M^d ay. V^a ay.
N. C. ay. S. C. ay. Geo. ay.
On M^r Pinkney's motion for rating blacks as equal to Whites instead of
as 3/5.
Mass. no. Con^t no. (D^r Johnson ay) N. J. no. P^a no. (3 ag^{st}
2.) Del. no. M^d no. V^a no. N. C. no. S. C. ay. Geo--ay.
M^r Randolph's proposition as varied by M^r Wilson being read for
question on the whole--
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