The Journal of the Debates in the Convention which Framed the Constitution of the United States, May-September 1787. Volume 1Madison, James
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The Journal of the Debates in the Convention which Framed the Constitution of the United States, May-September 1787. Volume 1
Madison, James
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The following clauses of Resol: 9. were agreed to viz "to hold their
offices during good behaviour, and to receive punctually at stated
times, a fixed compensation for their services, in which no increase or
diminution shall be made so as to affect the persons actually in office
at the time of such increase or diminution."
The remaining clause of Resolution 9. was postponed.
Resolution 10 was agreed to,--viz--that provision ought to be made for
the admission of States lawfully arising within the limits of the U.
States, whether from a voluntary junction of Government & territory, or
otherwise with the consent of a number of voices in the National
Legislature less than the whole.
The 11. Propos: "_for guaranteeing to States Republican Gov^t &
territory_" &c. being read M^r Patterson[64] wished the point of
representation could be decided before this clause should be considered,
and moved to postpone it, which was not opposed, and agreed
to,--Connecticut & S. Carolina only voting ag^{st} it.
[64] "M^r Patterson is one of those kind of Men whose powers
break in upon you, and create wonder and astonishment. He is
a Man of great modesty, with looks that bespeak talents of
no great extent,--but he is a Classic, a Lawyer, and an
Orator;--and of a disposition so favorable to his
advancement that every one seemed ready to exalt him with
their praises. He is very happy in the choice of time and
manner of engaging in a debate, and never speaks but when he
understands his subject well. This Gentleman is about 43 Y.
of age, of a very low stature."--Pierce's Notes, _Amer.
Hist. Rev._, iii., 328.
Propos. 12 "_for continuing Cong^s till a given day and for fulfilling
their engagements_," produced no debate.
On the question, Mass. ay. Con^t no. N. Y. ay. N. J.[65] ay. Pa.
ay. Del. no. M^d ay. V^a ay. N. C. ay. S. C. ay. G. ay.
[65] Note in Madison's writing: New Jersey omitted in
printed Journal.
Propos: 13. "that _provision ought to be made for hereafter amending the
system now to be established, without requiring the assent of the Nat^l
Legislature_", being taken up,
M^r Pinkney doubted the propriety or necessity of it.
M^r Gerry favored it. The novelty & difficulty of the experiment
requires periodical revision. The prospect of such a revision would also
give intermediate stability to the Gov^t. Nothing had yet happened in
the States where this provision existed to prove its impropriety.--The
proposition was postponed for further consideration: the votes being,
Mas: Con. N. Y. P^a Del. Ma. N. C. ay. Virg^a S. C. Geo. no.
Propos. 14. "_requiring oath from the State officers to support National
Gov^t_" was postponed after a short uninteresting conversation: the
votes.
Con. N. Jersey M^d Virg. S. C. Geo. ay. N. Y. P^a Del. N. C. no.
Massachusetts divided.
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