The Journal of the Debates in the Convention which Framed the Constitution of the United States, May-September 1787. Volume 2Madison, James
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The Journal of the Debates in the Convention which Framed the Constitution of the United States, May-September 1787. Volume 2
Madison, James
Constitutional law -- United States; Constitutions -- United States; United States. Constitution
The clause "to call forth the aid of the Militia &c. was postponed till
report should be made as to the power over the Militia referred
yesterday to the Grand Committee of eleven.
M^r Mason moved to enable Congress "to enact sumptuary laws." No
Government can be maintained unless the manners be made consonant to it.
Such a discretionary power may do good and can do no harm. A proper
regulation of excises & of trade may do a great deal but it is best to
have an express provision. It was objected to sumptuary laws that they
were contrary to nature. This was a vulgar error. The love of
distinction it is true is natural; but the object of sumptuary laws is
not to extinguish this principle but to give it a proper direction.
M^r Elseworth. The best remedy is to enforce taxes & debts. As far as
the regulation of eating & drinking can be reasonable, it is provided
for in the power of taxation.
M^r Gov^r Morris argued that sumptuary laws tended to create a landed
nobility, by fixing in the great-landholders and their posterity their
present possessions.
M^r Gerry, the law of necessity is the best sumptuary law.
On Motion of M^r Mason "as to sumptuary laws"
N. H. no. Mas. no. C^t no. N. J. no. P^a no. Del. ay. M^d ay.
V^a no. N. C. no. S. C. no. Geo. ay.
"And to make all laws necessary and proper for carrying into execution
the foregoing powers, and all other powers vested, by this Constitution,
in the Government of the U. S. or any department or officer thereof."
M^r Madison and M^r Pinkney moved to insert between "laws" and
"necessary" "and establish all offices," it appearing to them liable to
cavil that the latter was not included in the former.
M^r Gov^r Morris, M^r Wilson, M^r Rutlidge and M^r Elseworth urged that
the amendment could not be necessary.
On the motion for inserting "and establish all offices"
N. H. no. Mass. ay. C^t no. N. J. no. P^a no. Del. no. M^d ay.
V^a no. N. C. no. S. C. no. Geo. no.
The clause as reported was then agreed to nem. con.
Art: VII Sect. 2. concerning Treason which see.
M^r Madison, thought the definition too narrow. It did not appear to go
as far as the Stat. of Edw^d III. He did not see why more latitude might
not be left to the Legislature. It w^d be as safe as in the hands of
State legislatures. And it was inconvenient to bar a discretion which
experience might enlighten, and which might be applied to good purposes
as well as be abused.
M^r Mason was for pursuing the Stat: of Edw^d III.
M^r Gov^r Morris was for giving to the Union an exclusive right to
declare what sh^d be treason. In case of a contest between the U. S. and
a particular State, the people of the latter must under the disjunctive
terms of the clause, be traitors to one or other authority.
M^r Randolph thought the clause defective in adopting the words, "in
adhering" only. The British Stat: adds, "giving them aid and comfort"
which had a more extensive meaning.
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