The Journal of the Debates in the Convention which Framed the Constitution of the United States, May-September 1787. Volume 2Madison, James
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The Journal of the Debates in the Convention which Framed the Constitution of the United States, May-September 1787. Volume 2
Madison, James
Constitutional law -- United States; Constitutions -- United States; United States. Constitution
M^r King added to his former explanation that _arming_ meant not only to
provide for uniformity of arms, but included the authority to regulate
the modes of furnishing, either by the militia themselves, the State
Governments, or the National Treasury; that _laws_ for disciplining,
must involve penalties and every thing necessary for enforcing
penalties.
M^r Dayton moved to postpone the paragraph, in order to take up the
following proposition.
"To establish an uniform & general system of discipline for the
Militia of these States, and to make laws for organizing,
arming, disciplining & governing _such part of them as may be
employed in the service of the U. S._, reserving to the States
respectively the appointment of the officers, and all authority
over the militia not herein given to the General Government."
On the question to postpone in favor of this proposition: it passed in
the Negative.
N. H. no. Mas. no. C^t no. N. J. ay. P. no. Del. no. Mary^d ay.
V^a no. N. C. no. S. C. no. Geo. ay.
M^r Elseworth & M^r Sherman moved to postpone the 2^d clause in favor of
the following
"To establish an uniformity of arms, exercise & organization for
the militia, and to provide for the Government of them when
called into the service of the U. States."
The object of this proposition was to refer the plan for the Militia to
the General Gov^t but to leave the execution of it to the State
Gov^{ts}.
Mr. Langdon said he could not understand the jealousy expressed by some
Gentlemen. The General & State Gov^{ts} were not enemies to each other,
but different institutions for the good of the people of America. As one
of the people he could say, the National Gov^t is mine, the State Gov^t
is mine. In transferring power from one to the other, I only take out of
my left hand what it cannot so well use, and put it into my right hand
where it can be better used.
M^r Gerry thought it was rather taking out of the right hand & putting
it into the left. Will any man say that liberty will be as safe in the
hands of eighty or a hundred men taken from the whole continent, as in
the hands of two or three hundred taken from a single State.
M^r Dayton was against so absolute a uniformity. In some States there
ought to be a greater proportion of cavalry than in others. In some
places rifles would be most proper, in others muskets &c.
Gen^l Pinkney preferred the clause reported by the Committee, extending
the meaning of it to the case of fines &c.
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