The Journal of the Debates in the Convention which Framed the Constitution of the United States, May-September 1787. Volume 2Madison, James
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The Journal of the Debates in the Convention which Framed the Constitution of the United States, May-September 1787. Volume 2
Madison, James
Constitutional law -- United States; Constitutions -- United States; United States. Constitution
M^r L. Martin urged the unreasonableness of forcing & guaranteeing the
people of Virginia beyond the Mountains, the Western people of N.
Carolina & of Georgia, & the people of Maine, to continue under the
States now governing them, without the consent of those States to their
separation. Even if they should become the _majority_, the majority of
_Counties_, as in Virginia may still hold fast the dominion over them.
Again the majority may place the seat of Government entirely among
themselves & for their own conveniency, and still keep the injured parts
of the States in subjection, under the guarantee of the Gen^l Government
ag^{st} domestic violence. He wished M^r Wilson had thought a little
sooner of the value of _political_ bodies. In the beginning, when the
rights of the small States were in question, they were phantoms, ideal
beings. Now when the Great States were to be affected, political
societies were of a sacred nature. He repeated and enlarged on the
unreasonableness of requiring the small States to guarantee the Western
claims of the large ones.--It was said yesterday by M^r Gov^r Morris,
that if the large States were to be split to pieces without their
consent, their representatives here would take their leave. If the Small
States are to be required to guarantee them in this manner, it will be
found that the Representatives of other States will with equal firmness
take their leave of the Constitution on the table.
It was moved by M^r L. Martin to postpone the substituted article, in
order to take up the following.
"The Legislature of the U. S. shall have power to erect New
States within as well as without the territory claimed by the
several States or either of them, and admit the same into the
Union: provided that nothing in this Constitution shall be
construed to affect the claim of the U. S. to vacant lands ceded
to them by the late treaty of peace, which passed in the
negative: N. J. Del. & M^d only ay.
On the question to agree to M^r Gov^r Morris's substituted article as
amended in the words following.
"New States may be admitted by the Legislature into the Union:
but no new State shall be hereafter formed or erected within the
jurisdiction of any of the present States without the consent of
the Legislature of such State as well as of the General
Legislature"
N. H. ay. Mas. ay. C^t ay. N. J. no. P^a ay. Del. no. M^d no.
V^a ay. N. C. ay. S. C. ay. Geo. ay.
M^r Dickinson moved to add the following clause to the last--
"Nor shall any State be formed by the junction of two or more
States or parts thereof, without the consent of the Legislature
of such States, as well as of the Legislature of the U. States,"
which was agreed to without a count of the votes.
Public-domain text, read in full here on John Shaqi.
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