The Journal of the Debates in the Convention which Framed the Constitution of the United States, May-September 1787. Volume 2Madison, James
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The Journal of the Debates in the Convention which Framed the Constitution of the United States, May-September 1787. Volume 2
Madison, James
Constitutional law -- United States; Constitutions -- United States; United States. Constitution
N. H. no. Mas. no. C^t ay. N. J. no. P. ay. Del. ay. M^d ay.
V^a ay. N. C. no. S. C. no. Geo. no.
On M^r Gov^r Morris's motion to strike out "Conventions of the," it was
negatived.
N. H. no. Mas. no. C^t ay. N. J. no. P^a ay. Del. no. M^d ay.
V^a no. S. C. no. Geo. ay.
On filling the blank in Art: XXI with "thirteen" moved by Mr. Carrol &
Martin, N. H. no. Mas. no. C^t no, all except Maryland.
M^r Sherman & M^r Dayton moved to fill the blank with "ten."
M^r Wilson supported the motion of M^r Madison, requiring a majority
both of the people and of States. M^r Clymer was also in favor of it.
Col: Mason was for preserving ideas familiar to the people. Nine States
had been required in all great cases under the Confederation & that
number was on that account preferable.
On the question for "ten"
N. H. no. Mas. no. C^t ay. N. J. ay. P^a no. Del. no. M^d ay.
V^a no. N. C. no. S. C. no. Geo. ay.
On question for "nine"
N. H. ay. Mas. ay. C^t ay. N. J. ay. P^a ay. Del. ay. M^d ay.
V^a no. N. C. no. S. C. no. Geo. ay.
Art: XXI. as amended was then agreed to by all the States, Maryland
excepted, & M^r Jenifer being ay.
Art. XXII taken up, to wit, "This Constitution shall be laid before the
U. S. in Cong^s assembled for their approbation; and it is the opinion
of this Convention that it should be afterwards submitted to a
Convention chosen, in each State under the recommendation of its
Legislature, in order to receive the ratification of such Convention."
M^r Gov^r Morris & M^r Pinkney moved to strike out the words "for their
approbation." On this question
N. H. ay. Mas. no. C^t ay. N. J. ay.[47] P^a ay. Del. ay.
M^d no. V^a ay. N. C. ay. S. C. ay. Geo. no.
[47] In the printed Journal N. Jersey--no.--Madison's Note.
M^r Gov^r Morris & M^r Pinkney then moved to amend the art: so as to
read
"This Constitution shall be laid before the U. S. in Congress
assembled; and it is the opinion of this Convention that it
should afterwards be submitted to a Convention chosen in each
State, in order to receive the ratification of such Convention;
to which end the several Legislatures ought to provide for the
calling Conventions within their respective States as speedily
as circumstances will permit."
M^r Gov^r Morris said his object was to impress in stronger terms the
necessity of calling Conventions in order to prevent enemies to the
plan, from giving it the go by. When it first appears, with the sanction
of this Convention, the people will be favorable to it. By degrees the
State officers, & those interested in the State Gov^{ts} will intrigue &
turn the popular current against it.
M^r L. Martin believed M^r Morris to be right, that after a while the
people would be ag^{st} it, but for a different reason from that
alledged. He believed they would not ratify it unless hurried into it by
surprize.
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