The Journal of the Debates in the Convention which Framed the Constitution of the United States, May-September 1787. Volume 2Madison, James
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The Journal of the Debates in the Convention which Framed the Constitution of the United States, May-September 1787. Volume 2
Madison, James
Constitutional law -- United States; Constitutions -- United States; United States. Constitution
M^r Randolph moved to except "cases of treason." The prerogative of
pardon in these cases was too great a trust. The President may himself
be guilty. The Traitors may be his own instruments.
Col: Mason supported the motion.
M^r Gov^r Morris had rather there should be no pardon for treason, than
let the power devolve on the Legislature.
M^r Wilson. Pardon is necessary for cases of treason, and is best placed
in the hands of the Executive. If he be himself a party to the guilt he
can be impeached and prosecuted.
M^r King thought it would be inconsistent with the Constitutional
separation of the Executive & Legislative powers to let the prerogative
be exercised by the latter. A Legislative body is utterly unfit for the
purpose. They are governed too much by the passions of the moment. In
Massachusetts, one assembly would have hung all the insurgents in that
State: the next was equally disposed to pardon them all. He suggested
the expedient of requiring the concurrence of the Senate in acts of
Pardon.
M^r Madison admitted the force of objections to the Legislature, but the
pardon of treasons was so peculiarly improper for the President that he
should acquiesce in the transfer of it to the former, rather than leave
it altogether in the hands of the latter. He would prefer to either an
association of the Senate as a Council of advice, with the President.
M^r Randolph could not admit the Senate into a share of the power. The
great danger to liberty lay in a combination between the President &
that body.
Col: Mason. The Senate has already too much power. There can be no
danger of too much lenity in legislative pardons, as the Senate must
concur, & the President moreover can require 2/3 of both Houses.
On the motion of M^r Randolph
N. H. no.--Mas. no. C^t div^d. N. J. no. P^a no. Del. no. M^d
no. V^a ay. N. C. no. S. C. no. Geo. ay.
Art II. Sect. 2. (paragraph 2) To the end of this, M^r Govern^r Morris
moved to annex "but the Congress may by law vest the appointment of such
inferior officers as they think proper, in the President alone, in the
Courts of law, or in the heads of Departments." M^r Sherman 2^{ded} the
motion.
M^r Madison. It does not go far enough if it be necessary at all.
Superior officers below Heads of Departments ought in some cases to have
the appointment of the lesser offices.
M^r Gov^r Morris. There is no necessity. Blank commissions can be sent--
On the motion
N. H. ay. Mas. no. C^t ay. N. J. ay. P^a ay. Del. no. M^d div^d.
V^a no. N. C. ay. S. C. no. Geo. no.
The motion being lost by an equal division of votes. It was urged that
it be put a second time some such provision being too necessary to be
omitted, and on a second question it was agreed to nem: con.
Art. II. Sect. 1. The words "and not per capita" were struck out as
superfluous and the words "by the Representatives" also--as improper,
the choice of President being in another mode as well as eventually by
the House of Rep^s.
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