The Journal of the Debates in the Convention which Framed the Constitution of the United States, May-September 1787. Volume 2Madison, James
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The Journal of the Debates in the Convention which Framed the Constitution of the United States, May-September 1787. Volume 2
Madison, James
Constitutional law -- United States; Constitutions -- United States; United States. Constitution
Col: Mason thought the plan of amending the Constitution exceptionable &
dangerous. As the proposing of amendments is in both the modes to
depend, in the first immediately, and in the second ultimately, on
Congress, no amendments of the proper kind would ever be obtained by the
people, if the Government should become oppressive, as he verily
believed would be the case.
M^r Gov^r Morris & M^r Gerry moved to amend the article so as to require
a Convention on application of 2/3 of the Sts.
M^r Madison did not see why Congress would not be as much bound to
propose amendments applied for by two thirds of the States as to call a
Convention on the like application. He saw no objection however against
providing for a Convention for the purpose of amendments, except only
that difficulties might arise as to the form, the quorum &c. which in
constitutional regulations ought to be as much as possible avoided.
The motion of M^r Gov^r Morris & M^r Gerry was agreed to nem: con: (see
the first part of the article as finally past).
M^r Sherman moved to strike out of art. V. after "legislatures" the
words "of three fourths" and so after the word "Conventions" leaving
future Conventions to act in this matter, like the present Conventions
according to circumstances.
On this motion
N. H. div^d. Mas. ay. C^t ay. N. J. ay. P^a no. Del. no. M^d no.
V^a no. N. C. no. S. C. no. Geo--no.
M^r Gerry moved to strike out the words "or by Conventions in three
fourths thereof." On this motion
N. H. no. Mas. no. C^t ay. N. J. no. P^a no. Del. no. M^d no.
V^a no. N. C. no. S. C. no. Geo. no.
M^r Sherman moved according to his idea above expressed to annex to the
end of the article a further proviso "that no State shall without its
consent be affected in its internal police, or deprived of its equal
suffrage in the Senate."
M^r Madison. Begin with these special provisos, and every State will
insist on them, for their boundaries, exports &c.
On the motion of M^r Sherman
N. H. no. Mas. no. C^t ay. N. J. ay. P^a no. Del. ay. M^d no.
V^a no. N. C. no. S. C. no. Geo. no.
M^r Sherman then moved to strike out art. V altogether.
M^r Brearley 2^{ded} the motion, on which
N. H. no. Mas. no. C^t ay. N. J. ay. P^a no. Del div^d. M^d no.
V^a no. N. C. no. S. C. no. Geo. no.
M^r Gov^r Morris moved to annex a further proviso--"that no State,
without its consent shall be deprived of its equal suffrage in the
Senate."
This motion being dictated by the circulating murmurs of the small
States was agreed to without debate, no one opposing it, or on the
question, saying no.
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