67. AMBROSE, Bishop, said; “Is the very Son of God also very God? It is written in the divine books: _he that sweareth on the earth, shall swear by the true God_, and that this applies to Christ there is no doubt. We therefore profess the true God, and this is our faith and profession, that the only-begotten Son of the Father is very God. Do you then say ‘of very God,’ and then that the Son is very God.” Secundianus said; ‘Of very God.’ 68. AMBROSE, Bishop, said; ‘Is the Son of God very God?’ Secundianus said; ‘Then would he be a liar.’ Ambrose, Bishop, said; ‘In this you practise an evasion to avoid saying very God, but instead thereof, God, very only-begotten, and therefore say simply, The only-begotten Son of God is very God.’ Secundianus said; ‘I called Him the only-begotten Son of God.’ 69. EUSEBIUS, Bishop, said; ‘This Photinus does not deny, this Sabellus confesses.’ Ambrose, Bishop, said; ‘And he who does not confess this is justly condemned, and on this point I appeal to you many times though by cavilling you have denied the truth. I do not ask you to call Him merely the very only-begotten Son of God, but to call Him also very God.’ Secundianus said; ‘I profess myself the servant of truth. What I say is not taken down and what you say is taken down. I say that Christ is the true Son of God. Who denies that He is the true Son of God?’ 70. AMBROSE, Bishop, said; ‘He who denies that the only-begotten Son of God is very God, let him be anathema.’ Secundianus said; ‘The only-begotten Son of God, very God! why do you state to me what is not written?’ Ambrose, Bishop, said: ‘It is plain sacrilege, that Arius denied Christ the Son of God to be very God.’ Secundianus said; ‘Forasmuch as Christ is called the Son of God, I call the Son of God very Son[36]; but that He is very God is not written.’ 71. AMBROSE, Bishop, said; ‘Have you not yet recovered your senses?’ And he added; ‘Lest it should appear that he has been unfairly treated, let him state his opinion. Let him then say that Christ the only-begotten Son of God is very God.’ Secundianus said; ‘I have already said. What more would you wring from me?’ Ambrose, Bishop, said; ‘What have you said? certainly if you had said so great truths, what is said gloriously, may well be often repeated.’ Sidenote: S. Matt. v. 37. Secundianus said; ‘It is written, _Let your conversation be yea, yea, nay, nay_.’ 72. AMBROSE, Bishop, said; ‘He who says that the Father Himself is the Son, is sacrilegious. This I ask of you that you would say that the Son of God is begotten very God of very God.’ Sidenote: Heb. i. 5. Secundianus said; ‘I say that the Son is begotten of God, as He says Himself _I have begotten Thee_, and that He confesses Himself to be begotten.’ 73. AMBROSE, Bishop, said; ‘Is He very God of very God?’ Secundianus said; ‘When you add to the Name and call Him very [God], do you understand what the character of your own faith is, and are you a Christian?’