MY DEAR CHAMBERLAIN,--Morley did not leave until one o'clock this
morning, when I had a letter posted to you. I think that I put it
perhaps too strongly about the "On Imperial matters," but I had been
fighting for the exact words, and was cross {341} about their not
being precisely as I understood they were to be. Morley vowed that
they would be. I said that they were not. Practically they are. I
really do believe that they have not got a definition of "imperial,"
and they only do not want to bind themselves to the Irish Parliament
being obliged to _demand_ representation. I said "peace and war."
Morley replied, "this belongs to the Crown, and is raised by
supplies." I suggested "a commercial reciprocity treaty." He
replied, "this too is in the hands of the Crown, and is raised by a
change in taxation."
I do not think that there is any _mala fides_, but a desire to avoid
hostile criticism, on "what is Imperial." Morley vowed to me again
and again that there was no intention to dodge, and that having given
up the principle they asked for nothing better than to make it full.
I suggested, "all questions not excluded by the Bill." He replied,
"state what questions, not involved in taxation, you mean, and show
where one does not overlap the other."
As regards the Committee, they still hold to it, and this will cover
most of the questions.
Please think this over, and if you can suggest any definite line of
demarcation, and will give it me in the House, I will let Mr.
Gladstone have it before he speaks.
My last words to Morley were: "Chamberlain is quite fair on his side:
he has a natural distrust of the old Parliamentary hand, and will not
be humbugged. He no doubt will not quarrel over mere words, but he
must have the substance. Knock this well into Mr. Gladstone's head."
I write you this, because, thinking it over, I may have exaggerated a
thing in which there is nothing important.--Yours truly,
H. LABOUCHERE.
_Mr. Labouchere to Mr. Chamberlain_
HOUSE OF COMMONS, Monday, May 10, 1886.
MY DEAR CHAMBERLAIN,--I gave Arnold Morley three questions to take to
Mr. Gladstone.
1. Would he propose the retention of Irish Members for all questions
of taxation?
2. Would they come here like English Members?
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3. Would taxation include everything which was involved in Imperial
taxation affecting them?
He answered "yes" to all, but said that in regard to taxation he had
suddenly thought that the tea tax is renewed every year, and that he
had not put this before the Cabinet, but he personally had no sort of
objection to their voting on it, and did not suppose that the Cabinet
had.
I suggested that Herschell should see you. He writes to say that he
will be engaged all Tuesday and suggests Wednesday.
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