The Life of John Taylor: Third President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day SaintsRoberts, B. H. (Brigham Henry)
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The Life of John Taylor: Third President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints
Roberts, B. H. (Brigham Henry)
Latter Day Saint churches; Taylor, John, 1808-1887
"Now let us examine how this doctrine agrees with that of these
gentlemen; for be it remembered that St. John says, 'He that
transgresseth and abideth not in the doctrines of Christ hath not God,
but he that abideth in the doctrines of Christ hath both the Father and
the Son.' (II John, 9.) Now, have they apostles? No. They ridicule the
idea of them. Have they prophets? No. They tell us there is to be no
more prophecy. Have they evangelists, pastors and teachers--inspired
men? No. They don't believe in inspiration, and tell us the cause of
inspiration has ceased. Do they speak in tongues? No: you have heard in
turned into ridicule time and again. Do they have prophets among them
who prophesy? This they call a delusion. If any are sick, do they do as
St. James says, 'send for the Elders of the Church that they may pray
for them, and anoint them with oil in the name of the Lord?' No. That
they call fanaticism. Do they baptize in the name of the Lord for the
remission of sins? No. Do they lay on hands for the gift of the Holy
Ghost? No. What have they got that in the least resembles the gospel?
They have not even a clumsy counterfeit. How will they stand the test?
'He that abideth not in the doctrines of Christ hath not God.' I will
not, however, call them imposters, that I shall leave, and go on to
examine their doctrines more in detail.
"First, I will commence with Mr. Cleeve. He professes to be a Methodist
minister. I am somewhat acquainted with their doctrines. Their
ministers are not all ordained as Mr. Cleeve is; they have their class
leaders, local preachers, exhorters and itinerant preachers, made
just at random, according to convenience. But I will here take Mr.
Cleeve and Mr. Cater and compare their doctrines. Mr. Cleeve believes
in sprinkling; Mr. Cater in immersion; neither of them believing in
baptism as Peter did, for remission of sins. (Interruption.) But the
Methodists have arranged the matter more conveniently, for according
to the discipline of the Methodist Episcopal Church in America, they
have three different modes of baptism--they will baptize either by
sprinkling, pouring or immersion. This is the doctrine of the Episcopal
Methodist Church in America; so that after teaching a person what
they call the plan of salvation, they do not know as teachers how to
baptize, but must apply to the person whom they are teaching. Thus Mr.
Cleeve would--"
Mr. Cleeve.--I am not a Methodist, sir.
Elder Taylor.--I certainly understood you were a Wesleyan Methodist.
Mr. Cleeve.--I have nothing to do with the Wesleyan Methodists, either
directly or indirectly. [1]
Elder Taylor.--Then I must say that I am laboring under a mistake; this
was certainly my understanding. I will therefore turn to Mr. Cater. I
understand that he is a Baptist minister.
Mr. Cater.--I am not a member of the Baptist Association. [2]
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