(6) Or, "representative." Then Nicomachides: Upon my word, Socrates, I should never have expected to hear you say that a good housekeeper (7) and steward of an estate would make a good general. (7) Or, "economist"; cf. "Cyrop." I. vi. 12. Soc. Come then, suppose we examine their respective duties, and so determine (8) whether they are the same or different. (8) Lit. "get to know." Nic. Let us do so. Soc. Well then, is it not a common duty of both to procure the ready obedience of those under them to their orders? Nic. Certainly. Soc. And also to assign to those best qualified to perform them their distinctive tasks? That, too, belongs to both alike (he answered). Soc. Again, to chastise the bad and reward the good belongs to both alike, methinks? Nic. Decidedly. Soc. And to win the kindly feeling of their subordinates must surely be the noble ambition of both? That too (he answered). Soc. And do you consider it to the interest of both alike to win the adherence of supporters and allies? (9) (9) In reference to the necessity of building up a family connection or political alliances cf. Arist. "Pol." iii. 9, 13. Nic. Without a doubt. Soc. And does it not closely concern them both to be good guardians of their respective charges? Nic. Very much so. Soc. Then it equally concerns them both to be painstaking and prodigal of toil in all their doings? Nic. Yes, all these duties belong to both alike, but the parallel ends when you come to actual fighting. Soc. Yet they are both sure to meet with enemies? Nic. There is no doubt about that. Soc. Then is it not to the interest of both to get the upper hand of these? Nic. Certainly; but you omit to tell us what service organisation and the art of management will render when it comes to actual fighting.