Now I saw that they still went on in their talk; for, after Mr. Great-heart had made an end with Mr. Fearing, Mr. Honest began to tell them of another, but his name was Mr. Self-will. "He pretended himself to be a pilgrim," said Mr. Honest, "but I persuade myself he never came in at the gate that stands at the head of the way." GREAT. Had you ever any talk with him about it? HON. Yes, more than once or twice; but he would always be like himself, self-willed. He neither cared for man, nor argument, nor yet example; what his mind prompted him to, that he would do, and nothing else could he be got to do. GREAT. Pray, what principles did he hold? for I suppose you can tell. HON. He held that a man might follow the sins as well as the virtues of pilgrims; and that, if he did both, he should be certainly saved. GREAT. How! If he had said it is possible for the best to be guilty of the vices, as well as to partake of the virtues, of pilgrims, he could not much have been blamed; for, indeed, we are free from no sin absolutely, but on condition that we watch and strive. But this, I perceive, is not the thing; but, if I understood you right, your meaning is that he was of opinion that it was allowable so to be. HON. Ay, ay, so I mean, and so he believed and acted. GREAT. But what grounds had he for his so saying? HON. Why, he said he had the Scripture for his warrant. [Sidenote: HONEST QUOTES SELF-WILL] GREAT. Prithee, Mr. Honest, present us with a few particulars. HON. So I will. He said, To have to do with other men's wives had been practiced by David, God's beloved; and therefore he could do it. He said, To have more women than one was a thing that Solomon practiced; and therefore he could do it. He said that Sarah lied, and so did Rahab; and therefore he could do it. He said that the disciples went at the bidding of their Master, and took away the owner's ass; and therefore he could do so too. He said that Jacob got the inheritance of his father in a way of guile and cheating; and therefore he could do so too. GREAT. Highly base, indeed! And you are sure he was of this opinion? HON. I have heard him plead for it, bring Scripture for it, bring argument for it, and so on. GREAT. An opinion that is not fit to be with any allowance in the world! HON. You must understand me rightly: he did not say that _any_ man might do this; but that they who had the virtues of those that did such things, might also do the same.