Commissioner Kernan: "Are the workingmen compelled to obey the orders given by the foremen?" Mr. Lungren: "Yes. They must obey orders." Commissioner Kernan: "Is there any appeal from these orders?" Mr. Lungren: "No." Commissioner Kernan: "Then there is no way of getting the matter to the officials or superintendent?" Mr. Lungren: "No." Commissioner Kernan: "Then there is no system of obtaining a hearing from the officials concerning any grievance?" Mr. Lungren: "No there is no system and it is very difficult to see any of the officials to obtain redress." Commissioner Kernan: "What were the conditions of your re-employment with the company?" Mr. Lungren: "I had to leave the American Railway Union." Commissioner Kernan: "Were you obliged to sign any contract relating to your membership in any labor organization?" Mr. Lungren: "Yes. There was a written contract which I signed. It stated that I would have nothing to do with the American Railway Union." Mr. Lungren also testified that he did not vote to strike. He did not attend the meetings; said he quit work in accordance with the notice posted by the company that the works would be closed down. Dr. John W. McLean was the next witness. He said he had been a practicing physician since 1863, and had been in the employ of the Pullman company since 1894. He thought the strike had been brought about by the general depression in business throughout the country. Did not think the rents exorbitant in Pullman. Said he attended the Pullman employes who were injured, free of charge. When asked by Commissioner Kernan if he thought intemperance one cause of the Pullman strike, he said: "Yes, I think all labor troubles are directly due to this cause." General Manager E. St. John of the Rock Island road was the next witness examined. His testimony, which would fill several pages, was in brief a general contradiction of all evidence offered by the reporters, and American Railway Union witnesses. He charged the rioting to the strikers. He was opposed to the government ownership of railroads and also thought arbitration impracticable. He admitted that a greater reduction of wages was liable to follow unless the present depressed condition of business was soon remedied. Regarding the losses incurred by his road on account of the strike he said it was his impression that they would be somewhere between $800,000 and $1,000,000. When the question of communications from the officers of the American Railway Union came up Commissioner Kernan asked why the General Managers Association declined to receive it. Mr. St. John: "Because we considered such an organization unworthy of consideration." Commissioner Kernan: "Were you determined not to recognize any union?" Mr. St. John: "Not exactly, but the American Railway Union least of all." Commissioner Kernan: "Were not the roads united sympathetically? Now what had the Lake Shore road to do with the Rock Island road?"