A: He just, he just... Q: Oh, okay. A: ...went crazy. And it was like... Q: Like he was scared? A: Yes, like he was looking for a place to run and hide. Q: But he never got up? A: He never got up. He never left the beings that were next to him. And this red headed officer, this guy was a real butt hole. He made all the threats. He threatened to have people shot. Q: Everybody? A: He went, “Get away, get away,” you know, “We’ll shoot. Get away from there. This is a military secret.” You know, just screaming and hollering. He told my uncle and my father that if they didn’t want to spend the rest of their life in prison they would never say anything about what they saw there, if they ever wanted to see us kids again, they’d take the kids away. They’d never see the kids, you know, meaning me and Victor. That we’d better keep our mouths shut because if we did not, this is what was going to happen. They were threatening people and pushing people... Q: The students as well and Dr. Buskirk? A: Oh, yes. They were hustling everybody. And one of the soldiers pushed my uncle. He had a rifle like this and he shoved him back like that. Well, that was something you didn’t do to my uncle Ted. Ted had a violent temper. And he grabbed the rifle and reached over top and smacked this guy and dropped him right there. And Ted would go out and fight, heck, this guy’s a cowboy. He’ll hit you in a minute. And of course when he did that there was bolts opened and I guess cocking, they were cocking their rifles. They were pointing guns at people and everybody Buskirk and Glen and dad grabbed him, you know, pulled him back and got him away. “No, don’t, Ted, they’re going to shoot. Don’t do that.” You know, trying to stop this. And I think we came very close to having someone shot. Then they really started threatening, you know, and they... Q: Did the redhead do all the talking, pretty much? A: Pretty much. Except once in a while the sergeant would, you know, chime in and make statements like that to other people in response to the redhead. But mainly it was the redhead... Q: Was there a name tag? A: Yes, sir, there was. His name was Armstrong. And I’m not sure if I know that from having read it or know that from remembering it and now being able to read it in my memory, or if someone said that to me. But his name was Armstrong, it was right here on his uniform. Q: But he chased you guys away pretty quick? A: Yes, yes, he did. And they herded us up like cattle and we were just up the arroyo, back in the direction we came from, over the protest of this Dr. Buskirk who said, “No, no, we’ve got to go the other way. We came from over there.” “I don’t care where you came from, get your ass up the arroyo.” And they ran us up the arroyo and... Q: So you get to your car again? A: Oh, right. Now they took us up the arroyo and just over the hill we came down, they broke us off and moved us up the hill.