A: They said the book was already published. Now they had a copy... Friedman sent them a copy of my tape. They had the (inaudible). Hell, they had my tape. They just made that up. Somebody did. Q: I was puzzled by it when I read their book. That whole section where they refer to you, and it’s all very mysterious, and your name is not referred to in the table of contents, but you’re in the list of people that’s been interviewed, but you’re not one of the key people lists... A: They never did interview me. Q: They never talk to you at all? A: Not personally. They didn’t interview me until a long time later, a year or so later. They only had Stan’s tape. Q: So when they were actually writing their book... A: The book was already published. Q: When they were doing the writing, they were working from Stan’s tape. A: Evidently. Q: Who was actually the first UFO investigator to get in touch with you? A: Stan Friedman. When they had Unsolved Mysteries here and different ones. There was a lot of people... I’d get different ones. I had different people come and say we want to talk to you about the UFOs, and I said I don’t have anything to say, I don’t want to talk about it, and I never did. I’ve talked to very few people since. Q: How did Stan come to find you? A: One of the guys that I went to school with, high school, and Captain Harry Blake, he’s a general now, (inaudible). Q: Is he still on active duty? A: No, he’s retired. He was just a general in the military school, National Guard, I don’t know. He never was really a good friend of mine. We lived across the street from each other when we were kids. Q: So that’s how Stan found you. He was the first guy to talk to you. A: Bob Shirkey brought him up there to see me. (Pause) Q: There’s a reference in here to you having some years later, I think, talked to a pediatrician that you knew? A guy that was stationed... A: I can’t find his picture, and I don’t remember his name. I ran into him when I was fishing up in Colorado and we ran into each other. Q: This was a guy who was at that time stationed here? A: He was here, and they called him in. He said that was out of his field and he didn’t want anything to do with it. Q: They actually called him in and asked him to take a look at what had been retrieved or... A: He said they called him in. I don’t know. He said, “But I said that was out of my field and I didn’t want anything to do with it.” That’s what he told me, now. Q: Did you get the sense that he knew more than he was telling? A: I would say so, yeah. I’m sure they did. A lot of those guys out there did. Q: You don’t remember his name? A: I don’t remember it. But I did run into him. Somewhere I’ve got his name. Q: Have you talked with anyone else? Had you during that time before you got into all this... A: No, I wouldn’t have even talked to him about it. He brought it up and wanted to know whatever happened on the UFO business. Q: It was at his initiative.