[201] Ruef's version of the affair, as Ruef gave it before the Grand Jury, was: "Mr. Umbsen stated to me that with a great deal of difficulty, he had been able to persuade the people interested to allow me this fee. I thereupon told Mr. Gallagher that I had made arrangements to secure for myself an attorney's fee in the matter and I would allow him something over $13,500 as his proportion of the fee. Mr. Gallagher estimated what it would require for his services in the matter and we had discussed would the Supervisors accept that amount." [202] John Martin's statement, when he refused to testify, furnishes fair example of the attitude of those who became involved in the graft scandal. The Grand Jury record shows: "John Martin recalled. "Foreman (to witness). You have already been sworn, so you can consider yourself under oath. Mr. Martin: I desire to stand on my constitutional right and not to testify further. "Mr. Heney: If you feel that your testimony might have a tendency to subject you to prosecution--. A. (interrupting). No, not that. I am not so advised that that is necessary. My constitutional rights are broader than that, I am advised. "Q. Then you don't desire to testify? A. No, sir. "Mr. Heney: All right." [203] Mr. Frank G. Drum testified as follows: "Q. Do you know Abraham Ruef? A. Met him. "Q. Did you have any conversation with him about that time? A. No, sir. "Q. I mean a conversation with reference to the rates? A. No, not that I know anything about." [204] Ruef on this point testified before the Grand Jury as follows: