Senator Bourne: But you were under water? You cannot stay under water two or three minutes. Mr. Collins: Well, it seemed so to me. I could not exactly state how long. When I came to the surface I saw this boat that had been taken off. I saw a man on it. They had been working on it taking it off the saloon deck, and when the wave washed it off the deck, they clung to it. Then I made for it when I came to the surface, swimming for it. I was only four or five yards off of it. I am sure there were more than fifteen or sixteen who were then on it. They did not help me to get on. They were all watching the ship. All I had to do was to give a spring and I got on to it. We were drifting about for two hours in the water. Senator Bourne: When you came up from the water on this collapsible boat, did you see any evidence of the ship as she sank then? Mr. Collins: I did, sir; I saw her stern end. Senator Bourne: Where were you on the boat at the time you were washed off the ship? Mr. Collins: Amidships, sir. Senator Bourne: You say you saw the stern end after you got on the collapsible boat? Mr. Collins: Yes, sir. Senator Bourne: Did you see the bow? Mr. Collins: No, sir. Senator Bourne: How far were you from the stern end of the ship when you came up and got on to the collapsible boat? Mr. Collins: I could not just exactly state how far I was away from the _Titanic_ when I came up. I was not far, because her lights were out then. Her lights went out when the water got almost to amidships on her. Senator Bourne: As I understand it, you were amidships of the bow as the ship sank? Mr. Collins: Yes, sir. Senator Bourne: You were washed off by a wave? You were under water as you think for two or three minutes and then swam five or six yards to the collapsible boat and got aboard the boat? The stern (of ship) was still afloat? Mr. Collins: The stern was still afloat. Senator Bourne: The lights were burning? Mr. Collins: I came to the surface, sir, and I happened to look around and I saw the lights and nothing more, and I looked in front of me and saw the collapsible boat and I made for it. Senator Bourne: How do you account for this wave that washed you off amidships? Mr. Collins: By the suction which took place when the bow went down in the water. There were probably fifteen on the boat when I got on. There was some lifeboat that had a green light on it and we thought it was a ship, after the _Titanic_ had sunk, and we commenced to shout. All we saw was the green light. We were drifting about two hours, and then we saw the topmast lights of the _Carpathia_. Then came daylight and we saw our own lifeboats and we were very close to them. When we spied them we shouted to them and they came over to us and they lifted a whole lot of us that were on the collapsible boat. * * * * * J. Joughin, head baker (Br. Inq.):