_Total:_ 5. _Crew:_ Seamen: Symons (in charge), Horswell. Firemen: Collins, Hendrickson, Pusey, Shee, Taylor. _Total:_ 7. _Grand Total:_ 12. INCIDENTS G. Symons, A. B. (Br. Inq.): Witness assisted in putting passengers in Nos. 5 and 3 under Mr. Murdoch’s orders, women and children first. He saw 5 and 3 lowered away and went to No. 1. Mr. Murdoch ordered another sailor and five firemen in. Witness saw two ladies running out of the Saloon Deck who asked if they could get in the boat. Murdoch said: “Jump in.” The officer looked around for more, but none were in sight and he ordered to lower away, with the witness in charge. Before leaving the Boat Deck witness saw a white light a point and a half on the port bow about five miles away. Just after boat No. 1 got away, the water was up to C Deck just under where the ship’s name is. Witness got about 200 yards away and ordered the crew to lay on their oars. The ship’s stern was well up in the air. The foremost lights had disappeared and the only light left was the mast light. The stern was up out of the water at an angle of forty-five degrees; the propeller could just be seen. The boat was pulled away a little further to escape suction; then he stopped and watched. After the _Titanic_ went down he heard the people shrieking for help, but was afraid to go back for fear of their swarming upon him, though there was plenty of room in the boat for eight or a dozen more. He determined on this course himself as “_master of the situation_.”[30] About a day before landing in New York a present of five pounds came as a surprise to the witness from Sir Cosmo Duff Gordon. [30] Italics are mine.--Author. The President: You state that you were surprised that no one in the boat suggested that you should go back to the assistance of the drowning people? Witness: Yes. The President: Why were you surprised? Witness: I fully expected someone to do so. The President: It seemed reasonable that such a suggestion should be made? Witness: Yes; I should say it would have been reasonable. The President: You said in America to Senator Perkins that you had fourteen to twenty passengers in the boat? Witness: I thought I had; I was in the dark. The President: You were not in the dark when you gave that evidence. Witness said he thought he was asked how many people there were in the boat, all told. The Attorney General: You meant that the 14 to 20 meant everybody? Witness: Yes. The Attorney General: But you know you only had twelve all told? Witness: Yes. The President: You must have known perfectly well when you gave this evidence that the number in your boat was twelve. Why did you tell them in America that there were fourteen to twenty in the boat? Witness: I do not know; it was a mistake I made then and the way they muddled us up. The Attorney General: It was a very plain question. Did you know the names of any passengers? Witness: I knew Sir Cosmo Duff Gordon’s name when we arrived in America.