Zanchius told,(330) that he seemed to himself to hear the monks and Jesuits saying among themselves, _Ipsa quoque Regina Angliæ doctissima et prudentissima, paulatim incipit ad Sanctæ Romanæ ecclesiæ redire religionem, resumptis jam sanctissimus et sacratissimis clericorum vestibus, sperandum est fore ut reliqua etiam omnia_, &c. Papists count all to be _Calvino Papistæ_, _i.e._, half Papists, who are not Puritans, and daily invite them to an association with them against the Puritans, as Parker(331) showeth out of a treatise entitled, _Concertatio Ecclesiæ Catholicæ in Anglia contra Calvino Papistos et Puritanos_. And we may perceive out of Franciscus a Sancta Clara,(332) that they despair of any agreement with Puritans, yet hoping that Formalists will agree with them. In these hopes they are still more and more confirmed whilst they observe this conformity in ceremonies to be yet prevailing and proceeding, and not like to take a stand. Whereupon they (poor souls) delight to stay still in Babylon, finding us so fast turning back thither, as if we repented we come out from thence. _Sect._ 3. Some would here defend the ceremonies, as being most expedient to gain the Papists, who otherwise should be the more aliened from us. O what a fiction! As if, forsooth, hardening of them in Popery were to win them, and fostering of them in the same were to wean them from it. Woeful proof hath taught us, that they are but more and more hardened, and resolutely continued in Popery by these Roman remainders among us, neither will they, whilst they expect that we are turning back to them, do so much as meet us midway; but they flee from us,(333) _quam longissime_; their over-passing and over-reaching Pharisaical zeal, makes them hold fast the least point of their religion, and adhere to the whole entire fabric of the Roman both doctrine and discipline. Of the gaining of the adversaries, Augustine speaketh better,(334) for if you demand, _Unde vincantur pagani, unde illuminentur, unde ad salutem vocentur?_ He maketh this answer, _Deserite omnes solennitates ipsorum, deserite nugas eorum: et si non consentiunt veritati nostra, saltem pudeat paucitatis suæ. Nulla est concedenda gratia adversariis_ (say the divines of Germany(335)), _in mutatione ceremoniarum, nisi prius nobiscum consentiant in fundamento hoc est, in vera doctrina et usu sacramentorum._ They that yield to the adversaries in matters of rite, _cos hoc ipso in impietate sua confirmant_; and the adversaries _cessione ista non parum adjuvantur_, saith Balduin. Bellarmine,(336) rejecteth Cassander’s reconciliation,(337) for this reason among others, because, according to the judgment of the fathers, we should not change nor innovate the smallest matters for gratifying of heretics.