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The works of Plato (Vol. 1 of 6) : $b A new and literal version chiefly from the text of Stallbaum
Plato
Philosophy -- Early works to 1800
_Pol._ As if, Socrates, you yourself would not like to be allowed to do
what you please in a city, rather than not, and would not be envious
when you saw any one either slaying whom he pleased, or taking away his
possessions, or putting him in bonds.
_Socr._ Do you mean justly or unjustly?
_Pol._ Whichever he should do, is he not in either case to be envied?
_Socr._ Good words, I pray you, Polus.
_Pol._ But why?
_Socr._ Because it is not right, either to envy those that are not to be
envied, or the wretched; but to pity them.
_Pol._ What say you? Does such appear to you to be the case with the men
of whom I am speaking?
55. _Socr._ How can it be otherwise?
_Pol._ Does he, then, who slays whom he pleases, slaying him justly,
appear to you to be wretched, and an object of pity?
_Socr._ Not at all; nor indeed is he to be envied.
_Pol._ Did you not say just now that he was wretched?
_Socr._ I said, my friend, that he is wretched who slays another
unjustly, and more than that, to be pitied; but that he who slays
another justly is not to be envied.
_Pol._ He surely who dies unjustly is to be pitied, and is wretched.
_Socr._ Less so, Polus, than he who slays him; and less than he who dies
justly?
_Pol._ How so, Socrates?
_Socr._ Thus; because to act unjustly is the greatest of evils.
_Pol._ But is this really the greatest of evils? Is it not a greater
evil to suffer unjustly?
_Socr._ By no means.
_Pol._ Had you, then, rather suffer unjustly than act unjustly?
_Socr._ I should wish neither of these: but if I must necessarily either
act unjustly or suffer unjustly, I should choose rather to suffer
unjustly than to act unjustly.
_Pol._ Would you not, then, consent to be a tyrant?
_Socr._ I would not, if by being a tyrant you mean the same that I do.
_Pol._ I mean by it what I just now said, to have the power to do in a
city whatever one pleases; to slay and banish, and do every thing
according to one’s own pleasure.
56. _Socr._ My excellent friend, attend to what I say, and confute me if
you can. If, when the forum is full, I should take a dagger under my
arm, and say to you, Polus, a certain wonderful power and tyranny has
just now fallen to my lot: for, if it seems fit to me that any one of
these men whom you see ought immediately to die, he shall die; and if it
seems fit to me that any one of them ought to have his head broken, he
shall immediately have it broken; or if that his garment should be torn
to pieces, it shall be torn to pieces: so great is the power I possess
in the city. And if, on your disbelieving me, I should shew you the
dagger, perhaps, on seeing it, you would say: According to this,
Socrates, all men may have great power, since any house that you please
might be burnt in this way, and even the dock-yards of the Athenians,
and the triremes, and all the shipping, as well public as private. But
surely this is not to possess great power, to do whatever one pleases:
do you think so?
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