I have now given my view of the Cyclic poems as late, post-Homeric, and Ionian in (i) geographical knowledge; (2) in hero-worship; (3) in rites of human sacrifice and purification; (4) in the mania for inventing genealogies, as of Thersites, basest born of the host; (5) in partisan attacks on great Achaeans; (6) in silly _Märchen_; (7) in efforts to introduce representatives of Athens, the grandsons of Theseus, into the war; (8) the Attic goddess, Nemesis. Of these eight proofs of lateness and Ionicism, Mr. Murray takes no notice: on the whole, he thinks our Homer later than some state of the lost Epics. He supposes parts of the _Iliad_ to be borrowed from these Epics. "We happen to know that there was an old chronicle poem which both contained a catalogue of the ships and also narrated at length the assembling of the fleet at Aulis--the so-called _Cypria_ or Cyprian verses."[40] This piece of information may be correct, I know not; but no authority is cited for the statement that the _Cypria_ contained a catalogue of the ships, and no such authority is known to me.[41] Von Wilamowitz--Moellendorff _conjectures_ that the _Cypria_ contained a catalogue of the Achaeans, but that is not evidence. In support of his theory that our _Iliad_ is "in a further state of development" than some poetic chronicles, Mr. Murray writes that passages in the _Iliad_ "seem to be derived from the _Cypria_, the _Little Iliad_, and the _Sack of Ilion_, the so-called _Acthiopis_.... These, then, are all pieces of supposed history taken over from one traditional poem into another."[42] This appears to mean that the poems named were complete before the _Iliad_ was complete, though all of them "were growing side by side for centuries." Indeed, Mr. Murray might seem to change his ground in a later statement of his opinions. In _The Rise of the Greek Epic_ we hear of borrowings by the _Iliad_ from several Cyclic poems made in Asia, and from the "Eumelian" verses in Europe. (For "Eumelus," see "Homer and the Saga.") Of borrowings by the Cyclics and "Eumelus" from the _Iliad_ we do not hear. On the other hand, in _Anthropology and the Classics_ (lectures by various students), Mr. Murray writes, "the extant remains of the non-Homeric poems frequently show in their form, and sometimes even in their content, definite signs of presupposing the _Iliad_, just as the _Iliad_ here and there shows signs of presupposing them...."[43] But, _R. G. E_. p. 160, meets the charge of changed views.