8. Tell me, how can we intermingle the impure conception of the universal or mundane soul representing the _mundees_ or universe, with the pure idea of the supreme soul, which is ever calm, quiet and transparent. (The universal soul, is called _viswátmá_, viswarúpa and viráta, and is opaque with its contents; while the supreme is quite pure and clear, and untinged with the shade of creation). 9. Kumbha replied:--You have asked well, O prince, and this shows the clearness of your understanding; and if this is all that you want to know, hear me then explain it fully to you. 10. Whatever is seen here and every where together, with all the moving and unmoving beings which it contains, are all of them perishable, and are extinct at the end of every kalpa age (in which the creator wishes to create a new world). 11. Then there remains the true and essential reality at the end of the kalpa age, amidst an obscure chaotic state, which is deprived both of light and darkness. 12. This essential reality is the divine intellect, which is pure and quiet and as clear as the transparent air; it is free from all attributes and imputations, and full of transcendental intelligence. 13. The one that remains at the end of a kalpa, is the supreme soul which extends over all space, and is purely bright, transparent and quiet; it is enveloped in light and is pure intelligence. 14. It is inscrutable and unknowable, it is even and quiet, and full of bliss; it is called Brahma--the great, the final extinction of all bodies and is full of all knowledge. 15. It is the minutest of the minute, and the largest of whatever is large in the universe; it is the greatest and greatest of aught that is great and heavy, and it is the best of whatever is good and excellent. 16. It is so very small, that if you place this sky beside it, the latter will appear as big as the great mount of Meru by the side of a small mite. 17. It is again so very big and bulky, that this stupendous world being placed side by side to it, the latter must appear as an atom before it or vanish into nothing. 18. This is attributed with the epithet of universal soul, for its pervading all over the universe and being its intrinsic soul; while its extrinsic appearance, is called by the title of Virát. 19. There is no difference between this attribute and its attributive, as there is none between the air and the wind or the air in motion; and as the sky and vacuum are synonymous words, so the very same intellect is the phenomenal world, and the same consciousness is manifested in the forms of egoism and tuism. 20. As the water becomes the wave at a certain time and place, by cause of the current wind; so the world rises and falls at times in the supreme soul, without any external cause (except the will of the supreme spirit).