"Yes, they would have to be liberally treated for the first few years to induce them to go. Natal, as I have said, is a very lovely country. There are enormous estates railed off for sheep and cattle raising, and it seemed to me that I saw more places there fit for small estates of white men than in any other part of the country, excepting Rhodesia." Mr Stanley was careful to further emphasise the exception to his rule furnished by Rhodesia. "That opens up a very interesting question," remarked the interviewer, "for emigration from this country has been allowed to take its own course without much assistance, save from the emigration agencies, who, of course, have to be approached by intending emigrants instead of approaching them." NATAL SHOULD BE BETTER ADVERTISED. "Yes," rejoined Mr Stanley; "the wants of a Colony like Natal must be advertised, and its claims to the consideration of those desiring new homes should be pressed upon the people of England." "How do you think the white men in Natal now would regard the influx?" "Well, they must be considered, but it is as much for their interests as for those of anyone else. If they are as narrow-minded as the labour party at Durban, there may probably be a serious calamity some day." "Had you an opportunity of discussing such problems with Mr Escombe or any of the leading politicians of the Colony?" "I saw perhaps twenty, but I fancy they are rather afraid of saying what is in their minds, because the ultimate solution depends upon the democracy of Natal, and Ministers hesitate to be leaders in any such agitation." Although he has already treated the subject of Rhodesia and its future prospects so exhaustively, Mr Stanley had nevertheless still many points of importance to touch upon. He insisted very strongly upon the necessity for offering inducements to other settlers besides those engaged in mining. MORE SETTLERS WANTED IN SOUTH AFRICA. "I think," said he, "every Colony in South Africa has been very remiss in the matter of attracting immigrants. You have only to look at the statistics of population--black and white--to see how disproportionate are the two races. The Cape of Good Hope, with 221,000 square miles, has nearly a million and a quarter of coloured people to 377,000 whites, and the former are multiplying with extraordinary rapidity. Natal, again, as I have said, has 45,000 whites and nearly a million coloured people. British Bechuanaland, with only a little over 5000 whites, has 65,000 coloured people. Matabeleland, or rather what is now Rhodesia, had some years ago only 2500 whites and 250,000 natives. Of course, the whites are more numerous now, but still the disparity is sufficiently striking." "It has been asserted very freely that until the production of gold assumes large proportions the white population cannot increase, because they have nothing to subsist upon."