5489. What is there then in this transaction which gives it a guilty character?--Mr. Zulueta’s former connexion with the Gallinas slave traders shows, that his course of trade with the Gallinas was one liable to exception. 5490. But what is there to prove that he dealt with the slave traders in other than lawful goods?--They would be _lawful_ goods, certainly. 5491. Do you consider it to be unlawful or improper to deal in lawful goods with a man who is engaged in the slave trade?--I do not consider it unlawful, but I do consider it improper; I say not unlawful, because you cannot prove guilty knowledge, but highly improper to sell goods to persons who, the seller must be aware, will employ them in the slave trade afterwards. 5492. Do you hold it to be against the purport of the Act to deal in lawful goods with persons engaged in the slave trade?--It is not against the purport of the Act for a merchant to deal with any one, unless he is aware that that person is engaged in the slave trade, and that the goods that he sells will be employed for slave trade purposes. 5493. Then that which is against the purport of the Act in your opinion, is to deal in goods, which goods will be used for unlawful purposes?--Yes. 5494. The mere trading in lawful goods, in itself you would not consider unlawful, or against the purport of the Act?--No. 5495. What evidence have we that Zulueta knew that in dealing with Pedro Blanco the goods he sold would be used for the barter of slaves?--Any body engaged in the Spanish trade would be aware that Pedro Blanco was the largest slave trader in the world. 5496. How would Messrs. Zulueta be paid for those lawful goods by Pedro Blanco?--I am not aware that he ever sold any goods to Pedro Blanco; the Gollupchik did not arrive off the Gallinas till after Pedro Blanco had left; he left I think in the latter part of 1838. 5497. It was a slave trade factory at the Gallinas with which Zulueta was dealing?--It was with the Gallinas. 5498. In the case of dealing with a person who had no other business than that of the slave trade, how would the payment be made?--In gold; in doubloons generally. 5499. There would be no payment in produce?--No; and that is the way in which all trade of that description is paid; there have been vessels going down from Sierra Leone and trading with the Gallinas and other slave ports, and the returns which they bring for their goods are doubloons. 5500. And you would infer from the circumstance of bringing doubloons, and not the produce of the country, that there was at least strong suspicion that it was an unlawful traffic?--A strong suspicion; I would not say more than that.