5512. Mr. _Wortley_.] You stated just now that you were not aware that Messrs. Zulueta ever shipped any goods to Pedro Blanco; did you not previously state that that was one of your reasons for believing Messrs. Zulueta to be connected with the slave trade?--No; the ground I stated was the bills which Pedro Blanco drew upon them, which bills were current all along the coast, and I have seen some of them at Sierra Leone; they were drawn by Pedro Blanco on Zulueta; the transactions which gave rise to those bills I do not know. 5513. Mr. _Forster_.] Do you consider the shipment of goods referred to in the case of the Gollupchik an illegal shipment?--It was after my time; but I presume that it was illegal, because the vessel appears to have been condemned. 5514. _Chairman._] The legality or illegality will depend upon circumstances, which are not before you?--Yes; all that I know of it is from this report. There is a gentleman here to-day who seized the vessel, Captain Hill; he will explain all the circumstances. 5515. Mr. _Forster_.] Do you consider that any vessel laden in this country, and legally cleared at the custom-house for a slave factory on the coast of Africa, is seizable as being engaged in an illegal transaction?--She is seizable, but if the captor seizes her wrongfully, the person seized would have a claim for damages. She is certainly seizable by any man-of-war, but her condemnation would depend upon the fact whether or not the captor made out a case. 5516. _Chairman._] The mere fact of conveying goods to a slave factory would not be ground of condemnation, would it?--Certainly not. 5517. Mr. _Forster_.] Upon what ground can a vessel conveying a cargo of legal merchandise to the Gallinas be condemned?--On the ground of guilty knowledge, if it can be proved. 5518. Mr. _W. Patten_.] And that guilty knowledge would have to be left to the jury?--Yes. 5519. _Chairman._] You have been asked upon the case of the Almirante, in question 5238; can you in any way state what the transaction was, and are you able to give any explanation of it?--All I remember respecting that transaction is, that a merchant at Sierra Leone, of the name of Benjamin Campbell, on my arrival in Sierra Leone, in 1830, spoke to me about a sum of 500_l._, not 600_l._, that was due by him to Mr. Kenneth Macaulay, who was at that time dead--he died in 1829--for a vessel that Mr. Campbell had purchased from him. I did not know of that vessel having gone into the slave trade till it was mentioned just now. 5520. The sale was made by Mr. Kenneth Macauley to Mr. Campbell?--Yes. 5521. Mr. _Forster_.] Was not Mr. Campbell an agent of the house of Macaulay & Babington?--No, not at that time; he had been one of the clerks in the house, but many years previously; he had long ceased to have any connexion with the house, I suppose about five years. He was in business for himself at the time, and in rather a large way of business.