6557. But where you see an exchange of goods for money, there you conceive there is at least a suspicion of the slave trade?--I do not think that an individual receiving dollars or money upon the coast should of necessity be suspected or accused of engaging in or conniving at the slave trade in any way; I merely say that such transactions do indirectly partake and mingle with slave-trading transactions. 6558. Because the money is brought upon the coast originally only by the slave trade?--Yes. 6559. But the parties receiving the money may be totally exempt from any connexion themselves with the slave trade?--They may be certainly unconnected with the slave trade altogether. 6560. Wherever the slave trade is carried on, there probably money will be found?--Invariably. 6561. And therefore those who deal in lawful goods, in places where the slave trade is also carried on, will probably receive money in the course of their transactions?--In many places altogether money. 6562. What is the change in the system of blockade at present, as compared with the former system?--Under the former system we had no power over the ship until the slaves were actually on board. The consequence was, that if a man-of-war lay in a port full of slavers, as I have seen Whydah, with ten or a dozen slavers at one time, so long as the man-of-war was in sight they would not ship their slaves; directly the man-of-war was out of sight they shipped their slaves; and every vessel in the harbour would weigh their anchor and set sail. The cruizer would probably chase the wrong ship, and after having chased 100 miles would be laughed at by the master of her, and told that he only did it as a _pasatiempo_. 6563. Then the change of system is essentially dependent upon the power of seizing under the equipment treaty?--Yes, entirely; the system of blockade is only effective in consequence of that change in the powers of the cruizers. 6564. Sir _T. D. Acland_.] The equipment treaty allows you to enter rivers, and to board ships even while lying in the river?--The equipment treaties do not give any new rights as regards places. 6565. Under that treaty you may examine slavers lying in the river, and seize them there?--The sole difference is this, we might have searched them formerly as we may search them now, but we could not seize them before unless slaves were on board. 6566. _Chairman._] Are you acquainted with the condition of the leeward coast?--I have not been on the leeward coast since the year 1835. 6567. You cannot speak to the condition of that coast as to the slave trade?--I can state that then it was carried on to an enormous extent; that I knew 20 sail of vessels to be there, and that under those former treaties every one of those 20 escaped with full cargoes of slaves. 6568. You have been cruizing the last two years to the north of Cape Palmas?--I have.