10436. It is further stated, “It appears that it is a regular thing sending vessels to him, that is to Mr. Zulueta; if they come to England to him he sends them to Cadiz, and they get out again to the Havannah and come again into the trade.” Have you any observation to make upon that?--It is all untrue, the whole of it; I never received a vessel from those gentlemen; there has been nothing of the kind. 10437. Have you any thing further to state upon the subject?--There are several things I have marked; for instance, such as this, “You are not bound to suppose that a man will make a bad use of that which he purchases.” If I wished to put my statement upon that footing, I should have done with it in a moment, for I knew nothing of the use they were put to. I bought goods, but as to what use was made of them I knew nothing whatever. But that is not the position which I wish to assume. It is said here that we sent goods or vessels to Pedro Blanco. To that I say, that we never sent either goods or vessels to Pedro Blanco. In answer to Question 5474 it is said by Mr. Macaulay, “I stated ‘that it appears that it is a regular thing sending vessels to him, that is to Mr. Zulueta; if they come to England to him he sends them to Cadiz, and they get out again to the Havannah and come again into the trade.’ My answer was intended to describe only the course of that particular transaction and not to apply to any other case.” I never received a single vessel from the coast of Africa at any time, nor any body for us. 10438. Mr. _Forster_.] Then that statement is entirely untrue?--Totally, from beginning to end; we never did so, and nobody for us; and nobody to our knowledge, or with our connivance; I deny it in the most distinct manner. In answer to Question 5487, Mr. Macaulay is asked, “Have you any thing further to say with regard to the connexion of Zulueta with the slave trade?” The answer is, “I would refer to his connexion with the Gollupchik, which was lately captured. In that case it appeared that the vessel went out direct to the Gallinas from London.” That is the same vessel as the Augusta, which I have already explained; it formerly bore the name of Gollupchik. 10439. _Chairman._] Have you been concerned in the purchase of vessels frequently for Pedro Martinez or Pedro Blanco?--We have sometimes bought such vessels here as we could resell at the Havannah, such as the Arrogante, which we have bought. 10440. Upon orders?--Partly on orders, and sometimes on our own account on speculation. 10441. Mr. _Wood_.] For what particular trade were they calculated when they reached the Havannah?--I think for the same trade which they were calculated for when they were sold here. 10442. For the conveyance of merchandise?--As well as any thing else. They were sold here publicly.