Q. Now, about how many of such volunteers would you say there were for the high-altitude experiments? A. I do not know the exact number. It was not very high; approximately 10 inmates volunteered for that purpose. Q. Did these volunteers come one at a time, or did they come in a body, or just how did they present themselves to the experimental stations? A. Rascher moved around the camp quite a lot and on that occasion the inmates spoke to him. Q. In other words, the camp officials and Rascher and Romberg made no effort to find volunteers, did they? A. I don’t know, but I should not think so. I should not think that they made great efforts to get volunteers. Q. Now, other than these approximately 10 persons who you state presented themselves as volunteers, were all the rest of the experimental subjects simply picked out and brought in and experimented on? A. Yes. Q. Were any of these prisoners experimented upon released from the concentration camp because they underwent the experiments? A. There is only one man who was released after the high-altitude experiments. Q. And who was that? A. An inmate with the name of Sobota. Q. And did Sobota assist Rascher in his experimental work other than simply undergoing the experiment? Was he something in the nature of an assistant to Rascher? A. No. Sobota was one of those persons who had to undergo most of the experiments and he was also used on one experiment which was conducted in the presence of the Reich Leader SS. On that occasion he was asked by the Reich Leader how long he had been in the camp and he promised him that he would be released. He was later sent to the Group Dirlewanger. Q. Was it considered a privilege to be released to the Group Dirlewanger? A. No. The inmates who later were forced to transfer to the Group Dirlewanger thought that this was the worst thing that could happen to them. Q. Will you tell the Tribunal just what the Group Dirlewanger was? A. The Group Dirlewanger was an SS division who received their education in Oranienburg and who were used for special purposes. At one time 200 German political inmates in this group were transferred to Russia. All persons who were forced to join this group were very disgusted at being forced to join the SS and fight for them. They considered being selected to join the SS as the very worst disgrace. Q. Was the Dirlewanger a special commando group? A. Yes, it was a special commando group and was assigned to the most dangerous spots. However, I only know that from comrades to whom I have spoken about this matter after the liberation. Q. Other than the prisoner Sobota, were there any other concentration camp inmates released as a result of undergoing the high-altitude experiments? A. I know of no case except Sobota. Q. Do you know of any cases where a prisoner condemned to death had his sentence commuted to life imprisonment because he underwent the high-altitude experiments? A. No.