Q. But you could tell that yourself? A. Yes. Q. Did Romberg ever ask you whether or not these experimental subjects had been condemned to death? A. I do not remember Romberg ever asking me about that. Q. Were records kept in the concentration camp which showed whether or not a man had been condemned to death? A. Yes. Q. Do you know whether Romberg ever checked these records? A. I do not know that. Q. You do not know if he ever checked them, is that right? A. No. Q. Can you remember, approximately, how many deaths Romberg witnessed during these high-altitude experiments, if any? A. I can remember five cases where Romberg was present during cases of death; whether he was present on other occasions, I do not know. It is possible, but I am not sure of it. Q. You are sure of only five cases? A. Yes. Q. Did Romberg ever make any objections concerning these deaths? A. I do not know of Romberg having made any protests against it. Q. He did not make any protest in your presence? A. Only at the time when we were concerned with the incident which I spoke of earlier. I do not know anything about anything else. * * * * * EXTRACTS FROM THE TESTIMONY OF DEFENDANT RUDOLF BRANDT[26] _DIRECT EXAMINATION_ * * * * * DR. KAUFFMANN: Now I should like to speak to you about Document Book No. 2, concerning the high-altitude experiments of Dr. Rascher. You said this morning that you knew Rascher? DEFENDANT RUDOLF BRANDT: Yes. Q. Did you see him frequently? A. Very few times in the course of 4 to 5 years. Q. Did he come to your office and speak with you? A. Twice when I was about to leave Munich by train, he and his wife brought a letter for Himmler to the station and gave it to me. Q. And what did he want when he came to Himmler’s front office and saw you? A. Either he brought a report or a letter; as I said, this could not have happened more than 4 or 5 times. Q. Were you ever present when Himmler talked with Rascher? A. No. I was never present at those conferences. Q. Did Rascher ever tell you personally, either before or after a conference with Himmler, why he had come? A. No. Afterwards we never spoke about these visits because I had no time for that. Q. But you do not want to deny that you knew that Rascher was carrying out experiments on human beings in Dachau? A. Yes, that I knew. Q. Did you ever visit Dachau yourself? A. No. I was never in Dachau nor in any other concentration camp. Q. Did you yourself ever take part in experiments on human beings? A. No. Q. Did you see these photographs which are supplements to the document books? A. I cannot recall ever having seen them.