A. No, that can no doubt be seen from what I have already said. I could not give him any orders. I certainly could not forbid him to do anything. Concerning the conduct of these experiments on rescue from high altitudes, I merely had a certain advisory right as is customary for two scientists who are working together on the same task when one of the two has greater knowledge pertinent to the specific task. Q. You said the experiments began on 22 or 23 February; was that when you saw the experimental subjects for the first time? A. Yes. On that day I went out to Dachau with Rascher for the first time and met the experimental subjects for the first time. Q. About how many were there? A. There were 10 or 12. Q. Could it have been 5? A. Five? No, there were certainly more than that. Q. Could it have been 15? A. Yes, that is possible. Q. Did you talk to the experimental subjects on that day before the experiments began? A. I believe on that day we mostly talked. Whether any proper experiments were done at all on that first day, I don’t remember. At any rate I talked to the experimental subjects and got to know them a little on the first day. Q. What did you talk about with the experimental subjects? A. They were quite new surroundings for me, of course. They were all professional criminals who were in custody. Q. How do you know that? A. They told me that gradually in the course of conversation. They didn’t, of course, have complete confidence on the first day and did not tell me all about their previous convictions. But after careful inquiries one discovered that they had been condemned for certain crimes, repeatedly convicted, and finally had been condemned to protective custody. Q. Why did you talk to the experimental subjects on this day? A. It is quite natural when one begins to work with such a group that a certain personal contact is necessary. We had to get to know each other. I talked to them about their profession, if I may call it that, and of course I told them something about the experiments, what the whole thing was all about, what they themselves had to do to cooperate in the same way as my usual experimental subjects. Q. Was the reason for this investigation to prepare the subjects for their activity or to check whether these people were actually volunteers?