Q. Now, how long did these experiments on rescue from high altitude last, approximately? A. Well, they really began on about 10 or 11 March and they lasted until 19 or 20 May. Q. Following that, you prepared the report which has been submitted by the prosecution? A. Yes. Q. In this report you have a sentence saying that during the experiments on rescue from high altitudes there were no deaths and there had been no injury to health; is that correct? A. Yes, it is correct that that sentence is in the report, and it is also true that there were no deaths or other injuries. Q. But here in the testimony of the witness Neff you heard that there were deaths? A. Yes. Q. What do you have to say about that? A. In addition to our joint experiments on rescue from high altitudes, Rascher conducted experiments of his own. He did not tell me the exact problem; he merely said that he was performing these experiments for Himmler and that they had to do with explosive decompression sickness and electrocardiograms. He had apparently carried out secret experiments for some time on this problem, but then in my presence he continued them with special subjects. In the course of these experiments the first death occurred at the end of April in my presence. He told me in the course of our conversations that he wanted to qualify as a lecturer on the basis of these experiments which were ordered by Himmler. He wanted to get Dr. Fahrenkamp into it but this cooperation never came about because the experiments were broken off. Before this death I had no reason to object to the experiments in any way since Rascher was using other subjects and had a separate assignment from Himmler for them. My assignment was to perform the experiments on rescue from high altitudes and I carried it out together with Rascher. Q. How many deaths took place in your presence? A. Three. Q. But Neff spoke of five deaths at which you were present. A. There could only have been three. Q. Why could there only have been three? A. Because I remember. After all they were deaths and they made a definite impression on me; I know it. Q. Why did death in the low-pressure chamber make such an impression on you? A. In the innumerable low-pressure-chamber experiments not only performed by us, but everywhere in Germany in other institutes, we never had any deaths at all, and the opinion at that time was that any necessary problem of aviation medicine could be solved without deaths. Q. Now, how did it happen that you were present at these deaths, since you say these experiments did not belong to your series of experiments?