Mr. RANKIN. Now, in this telephone conversation, when you talked to your son, can you explain a little bit to the Commission how that is? Was your son on the other side of a wall or something? Mrs. OSWALD. Yes, sir. My son was on the other side of the wall, and then back of the wall was a door with a peephole, where an officer was. Now, we are going to come from the door, with the peephole and the officer, to my son. Then a glass partition and then glass partitions like telephone booths. But not really inclosed--just a little separation. Mr. RANKIN. So you could not reach in there and take your son's hand? Mrs. OSWALD. No, sir. We talked by telephone. Mr. RANKIN. And he had a telephone on his side, and---- Mrs. OSWALD. And he had a telephone. Mr. RANKIN. And you talked back and forth? Mrs. OSWALD. Back and forth, that is right. That is the way we talked. And the boy was badly beat up. I have proof in the papers--his face, black eyes, all scratched up, his neck was scratched. He was badly beat up. But he assured me they were not mistreating him, that he got some of the bruises in the scuffle. As I say, the boy, if he was being mistreated, would not tell his mother that. Mr. RANKIN. And whatever Marina said to him was in Russian, and you didn't understand it? Mrs. OSWALD. No, sir, I did not understand. But I would say this, it seemed to be just an ordinary pleasant conversation. He was smiling. And she told me he said he loved her very much, she said she loved him, and told about buying the shoes for the baby. That is all she said. She did not tell me any other part of the conversation. And they talked quite a while. She talked with him twice. She talked with him the first time. I got on the phone. Then she talked to him again. Mr. RANKIN. Did it sound like there was any dispute or argument? Mrs. OSWALD. No. It was a pleasant conversation. But she did not volunteer to tell me what was said, and I did not ask her what was said. Mr. RANKIN. What did you do after that? Mrs. OSWALD. So then after that we went back to the Adolphus Hotel. And upon arriving at the hotel--I am a little ahead of my story.