So when she got off the telephone, I said,--Now, Marina talks in Russian, gentlemen. I said, "Marina, Mrs. Paine told me that Lee called and you were not home at Mrs. Paine, and Lee tells Mrs. Paine to get a lawyer." Marina didn't answer. And I then sensed--well, now, why isn't she answering me? This is very peculiar. And there was no more said about that conversation. Mr. RANKIN. Did you ask her about this lawyer? Mrs. OSWALD. Ask Marina? Mr. RANKIN. Yes. Mrs. OSWALD. No, sir. There was no more said about this conversation. Mr. RANKIN. You didn't say anything about Mr. Abt to her then? Mrs. OSWALD. No, sir. But here is the point to this whole thing. The FBI agent would have to know where we were, and Mrs. Paine would have to know where we were, because of these two Life representatives, who, I am assuming, probably went back to Mrs. Paine's home in order to get more information. And she--they would have told her where we were, because no one knew where we were. This girl and I had no protection or anything. We were sent out there with this Mr. Allen Grant, the representative. And no one knew who we were. And Mr. Hart Odum would have to know where we were through Mrs. Paine, which is a normal procedure, let's say. He might have gone to Mrs. Paine's home looking for Marina there, and Mrs. Paine might have told him we were at the Executive Inn. I will grant that. But the point I am going to make is that the picture was tried to be shown to Marina before the telephone conversation. Now, if there are any questions why I say that, I would be happy to answer. Mr. RANKIN. Yes--why do you say that? Mrs. OSWALD. Because they wanted Marina---- Mr. DULLES. Could we get what picture this is? Is that the picture held in the hand? Mrs. OSWALD. Yes, sir--the picture that is held in the hand, that the FBI agent, Mr. Hart Odum showed me. Mr. RANKIN. I understand you didn't recognize who the picture was at all. Mrs. OSWALD. No. I told Mr. Hart Odum I had never seen the man before, "Believe me, sir," and he left. So the picture was shown--was tried--had tried to be shown to my daughter-in-law, but they were not successful. So then they received--Marina receives a telephone call. Now, I am under the impression, since I know it was Mr. Jack Ruby's picture I saw--at the time I didn't. Mr. RANKIN. How do you know that? Mrs. OSWALD. Because I have seen his picture in the paper. Now I know it is Mr. Jack Ruby. I am under the impression that Marina was threatened---- Mr. RANKIN. What was the date now? Mrs. OSWALD. This is Saturday, November 23d. This is approximately 6:30 in the evening, that the FBI agent came. And the telephone call was later. Now, I have no way of knowing whether Lee had permission to use the telephone. Remember, Lee is in jail. Mr. RANKIN. About what time do you think the telephone call was? Mrs. OSWALD. I would say it was about 7:30, 8 o'clock in the night. Mr. RANKIN. That was still on Saturday night?