Mrs. OSWALD. I would think--now, this is just hearsay. But I would think it is about 12 to 15 or 18 miles. When we reached there, they brought us to the chief of police's home. And there were cars all around. As soon as the car stopped, the Secret Service agent said, "Lee has been shot." And I said, "How badly?" He said, "In the shoulder." They brought Marina into the house. Mr. RANKIN. Did you ask him how he knew that? Mrs. OSWALD. It came over--I thought he had the radio in the car, Secret Serviceman, and he had talked to someone. This was all set up, sir, and I can prove to you. They didn't want us to know. They are now telling us this, Marina and I. He talked, and then he turned around and said, "Lee has been shot." I said, "How badly?" He said, "In the shoulder." I cried, and said, "Marina, Lee has been shot." So Marina went into the chief of police's at Irving home, to call Mrs. Paine, to get the diapers and things ready. They decided and told us, with me in the car and Marina, that it would not be a good thing for us to go to Mrs. Paine's home and get these things, that Marina should go in the chief of police's home and call and tell Mrs. Paine what she wanted. And one or two of the agents would go and get the things for Marina. So I am sitting in the car with the agent. Marina is in the home now--remember. So something comes over the mike, and the Secret Service agent says, "Do not repeat. Do not repeat." I said, "My son is gone isn't he?" And he didn't answer. I said, "Answer me. I want to know. If my son is gone, I want to meditate." He said, "Yes, Mrs. Oswald, your son has just expired." Mr. RANKIN. Now, which agent told you this? Mrs. OSWALD. This is the agent that was also now sent to me to protect me in Fort Worth, Tex.--Mr. Mike Howard, who was the agent that rode in the car with President Johnson, who was the agent that was at Six Flags, that was in charge, who was the agent that was assigned to protect Baine Johnson at the dormitory. He is also the same agent that was sent to protect me in Fort Worth, Tex. Mr. RANKIN. Now, who was the other agent that was with you that day? Was there another Secret Service agent with you? Mrs. OSWALD. He went into the home--he escorted Marina into the chief of police's home, and I do not know his name. And he is not the other agent that I want to know the name of. Wait just a minute. I don't know this man's name. But he is not the other agent that is involved. Mr. RANKIN. Now, about what time on that Sunday did you learn of your son's death? Mrs. OSWALD. Well, now, here is your time element. I said Robert and Mr. Gregory and the Secret Service were there approximately from 11:30. And I knew nothing about the shooting. And then we had to go to Irving and everything. Then they told us Lee was shot. So now we are bringing up to the time--it all fits in--which was 1 o'clock or 1:30.