So she said, "I want to see Lee, too." They didn't want us to see Lee, from the ugliness of it evidently. But I insisted, and so did Marina. So they could not do anything about it with the two women. So they decided to pacify us. We got in the car. On the way in the car they are trying to get us to change our minds. And he said, Mr. Mike Howard--he was driving the car--"Mrs. Oswald for security reasons it would be much better if you would wait until later on to see Lee because this is a big thing." I said, "For security reasons I want you to know that I am an American citizen, and even though I am poor I have as much right as any other human being, and Mrs. Kennedy was escorted to the hospital to see her husband. And I insist upon being escorted, and enough security to take me to the hospital to see my son." Gentlemen, I require the same privilege. So Mr. Mike Howard said, "All right, we will take you to the hospital. "I want you to know when we get there we will not be able to protect you. Our security measures end right there. The police will then have you under protection. We cannot protect you." I said, "That is fine. If I am to die, I will die that way. But I am going to see my son." Mr. Gregory says--and in the most awful tone of voice, I will always remember this--remember, gentlemen, my son has been accused, I have just lost a son. He said, "Mrs. Oswald, you are being so selfish. You are endangering this girl's life, and the life of these two children." I want to elaborate on this. He is not thinking about me. He is thinking about the Russian girl. I am going to bring this over and over--that these Russian people are always considering this Russian girl. He snapped at me. I said, "Mr. Gregory, I am not talking for my daughter-in-law. She can do what she wants. I am saying I want to see my son." And so they brought us to the hospital. And Marina said, "I too want to see Lee." After Mr. Gregory said that--"I, too, want to see Lee." So then they did leave us at the entrance of the hospital, the Secret Service men, and then the police took over. We were escorted by the police in the hospital. Mr. RANKIN. About what time was that? Mrs. OSWALD. Well, I would not think it would be more than between 2 and 3 o'clock. Mr. RANKIN. Sunday afternoon? Mrs. OSWALD. Sunday, November 24th. Mr. RANKIN. And then what happened? Mrs. OSWALD. Then Mr. Perry, the doctor, came down. We were escorted into a room. And he came in. He said, "Now, you know the Texas law is that we have to have an autopsy on a body." I said, "Yes, I understand." And Marina understood. Marina is a registered pharmacist. So Marina understands these things. And Marina understood. And he said, "Now, I will do whatever you ladies wish. I understand that you wish to see the body. However, I will say this. It will not be pleasant. All the blood has drained from him, and it would be much better if you would see him after he was fixed up."