Mr. SPECTER. Did they have any conversation with you about these events in the morgue? Mr. KELLERMAN. Not that I recall, sir. Mr. SPECTER. Did you have a discussion with either of those gentlemen about anything while you were at the morgue on November 22? Mr. KELLERMAN. The only thing I can recall discussionwise--I just forget which one it was, one of the two--this was before we even knew that a shell had been found from the hole in the President's shoulder. We couldn't determine what happened to it. They couldn't find it in the morgue; they couldn't find any leeway as to whatever happened to the shell when it hit the President's shoulder; where did it go. So our contention was that while he was on the stretcher in Dallas, and the neurosurgeon was working over him no doubt with pressure on the heart, this thing worked itself out. Mr. SPECTER. When you say "our contention," what do you mean by that? Mr. KELLERMAN. One of these agents--I forget which one it was; it could have been Sibert or O'Neill, but I am not sure. Mr. SPECTER. Did what? Mr. KELLERMAN. We--our discussion or my discussion. Mr. SPECTER. You had a discussion and when you say "our contention" by that do you mean that was the conclusion you came to? Mr. KELLERMAN. Conclusion--that is right, sir--as to where this bullet went into the shoulder and where did it go. Mr. SPECTER. While you are on that subject, was there any conversation at the time of the autopsy on that matter itself? Mr. KELLERMAN. Very much so. Mr. SPECTER. Would you relate to the Commission the nature of that conversation and the parties to it? Mr. KELLERMAN. There were three gentlemen who were performing this autopsy. A Colonel Finck--during the examination of the President, from the hole that was in his shoulder, and with a probe, and we were standing right alongside of him, he is probing inside the shoulder with his instrument and I said, "Colonel, where did it go?" He said, "There are no lanes for an outlet of this entry in this man's shoulder." Mr. SPECTER. Did you say anything in response to that? Mr. KELLERMAN. I said, "Colonel, would it have been possible that while he was on the stretcher in Dallas that it works itself out?" And he said, "Yes." Mr. SPECTER. Was there any additional conversation between you and Colonel Finck at that time? Mr. KELLERMAN. Not on that point; no, sir; not on that point. Mr. SPECTER. Was there any conversation of any sort between you and Colonel Finck which would be helpful to us here? Mr. KELLERMAN. Well, from Humes, who was the other gentleman out there, from the entry of the skull, from this hole here. Mr. SPECTER. You are now referring to the hole which you describe being below the missing part of the skull? Mr. KELLERMAN. Yes, sir; it was confirmed that the entry of the shell here went right through the top and removed that piece of the skull. Mr. SPECTER. And who confirmed that? Mr. KELLERMAN. One of the three gentlemen; I don't recall.